[wsfii-discuss] WSFII Summit in Catalonia by the end of April 2.007 (27th-29th)

Wed Dec 6 08:09:32 UTC 2006

Vickram - you raise some very pertinent points and being the only person
other than you to have been at both Air Jaldi and the P at SHA event in
Pakistan, I concur with all you say.  In particular I think that WSFII needs
to grapple with how to ensure 'intelligent and purposeful planning and
behaviour'  within its admirabble, unstructured, virtual and 'flat'
structure and democratic culture.  But I guess that will increasingly be an
issue for the whole of society as these new digital technologies of
abundance enable new ways of communicating and collaborating beyond
conventional structures and hierarchies.
Malcolm

On 06/12/06, Vickram Crishna <v1clist at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> It is critical to have discussions at such events on
> subjects that are not, strictly speaking, technical.
>
> Will we one day have mesh networking or related
> technology that enables hundreds or thousands of nodes
> (people) to interact live? If we are confident that
> this scenario is possible, then we must discuss now
> how, or in what circumstances, end-user applications
> and services will come about.
>
> For instance, following the summit at AirJaldi, people
> want to know whether an existing application for voice
> services exists in Open Source (open to use, open to
> develop further) that can be installed within a local
> network, one that today needs to comprise multiple
> domains, that will handle traffic locally.
>
> When I was in Pakistan, one software entrepreneur
> whose commercial business is in call center
> applications has offered to build in open source, a
> voice-based conferencing and point-to-point
> application (voice based because the end-users in
> developing countries may often - will often - be
> illiterate and unfamiliar with POTS, so the form
> factor paradigms that people in the West take for
> granted do not apply). What will the system
> requirements of such an application be? Should it be
> defined in detail in advance or should developers push
> ahead and let the details work themselves out once the
> applications are deployed?
>
> I hope that continuing meetings, currently in process,
> such as Catalonia, will continue to keep such urgent
> matters right up front.
>
> Secondly, we must very quickly firm up within WSFII a
> protocol for handling the needs of subgroups, keeping
> in mind that issues can often transcend their
> parochial discussion and become relevant outside the
> limits of their internal discussions. Prior to
> AirJaldi, the number of lists came down to 2, this one
> relating to general discussions and wsfii-coord for
> matters particular to the annual wsfii event. This
> also led to much confusion and possibly contributed to
> some ridiculous, acrimonious and avoidable flames.
>
> After the event, a new list (AirJaldi) has been
> created to further the interests of the Tibetan
> community. This lies outside the WSFII structure
> entirely, mostly because I think there is no clarity
> about list management. The Pakistan event never got
> posted on the calendar because the web admin didn't
> think it was necessary to post a mini wsfii event
> within a week of its taking place. Naturally,
> participants who may have wanted to come there on
> their own didn't find out so couldn't.
>
>
> --- Ramon Roca <ramon.roca at guifi.net> wrote:
>
> > Alexander, that's still the firmwares/hardware part,
> > which is in fact
> > the part IMHO we have less to contribute.
> > I'm wondering about the rest of things (maybe those
> > called "not for
> > geeks"), I mean things like
> > collaboration/coordination, financing,
> > network neutrality/peers agreements models, CNML
> > development, content
> > provisioning and so on... Are you planning also to
> > work on this directions?
> >
> > We'll very likely have to run an event anyway near
> > to those dates, at
> > least because of the need to get meet locally. The
> > question is to think
> > if still makes sense to announce something more
> > global to invite
> > communities from outside Catalonia or Spain.
> >
> > En/na Alexander Morlang ha escrit:
> > > Ramon Roca schrieb:
> > >
> > >> :(. No, we weren't aware of this Camp.
> > >> We were thinking in doing something in several
> > tracks, that is having
> > >> content for geek as well as other contents, such
> > as hiving, etc. So
> > >> trying to cover as many areas as possible. Is
> > that Camp just for
> > >> freifunk firm based networks?
> > >>
> > >
> > > no, freifunkfirmware is just a small part, there
> > will be OpenWrt
> > > developer, we expect scientist from different
> > research institutes and
> > > universities who are doing manet research,
> > community people and the
> > > technical guys from many different countrys.
> > >
> > > as i understood, there will be developer of at
> > least 3 or 4 different
> > > meshprotocols.
> > >
> > > most programmers of freifunkfirmware addons will
> > be there too, of course.
> > >
> > >
> > >> We'll think on this... My first impression is
> > that even by moving a few
> > >> weeks before/after doesn't really solve anything
> > given that will still
> > >> be a very close dates. Maybe makes sense to run
> > them in parallel leaving
> > >> the freifunk track at Germany?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > it is more of a place where all the different
> > approaches will meet to
> > > learn from each other, freifunk is just a part
> > and, of course the host.
> > >
> > > we will announce it on the 23C3 (Chaos
> > Communication Congress)
> > >
> > https://events.ccc.de/congress/2006/Wireless:Corner
> > as start of a series
> > > of events, followed by events like the wireless
> > village on the chaos
> > > communication camp
> > >
> > >
> > > Greet
> > >
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