[wsfii-discuss] Re: More on maps -was- Re: [Community] Worldwide Map of wireless communities ?

Thu Jul 13 16:47:00 UTC 2006

Hello,

I think map.freenetworks.org is a great idea.  

What do you need from me to make it happen?

-matt

Ken DiPietro wrote:
> To all,
>
> I believe one of the principal architects in the FreeNetworks.org 
> resource is Matt Westervelt (of SeattleWireless fame) and I have cc'ed 
> this email to him. We can see where that takes us and whether he will 
> join this discussion.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Ken DiPietro
>
> michel memeteau wrote:
>> Hi all , For sure Guifi could become a central point to get a global 
>> view of
>> worlwide wireless networks.
>>  But I guess we could maybe go for a simple MAP hosted on 
>> freenetworks , that
>> would give all the pin points and their status, and then redirect to the
>> mapping system of the community. Then Each community is free to use 
>> whatever,
>> but the important point is that their mapping system give a way to 
>> "syndicate"
>> their nodes including the node status ( UP, down, unknow )
>> like ramon has started to explain on
>> http://summit.airjaldi.com/wiki/index.php/SNP_Architecture
>>
>>
>> SO , what I thought was a simple MAP on http://map.freenetworks.org
>>
>> I could create it using :
>> http://anomoly.freenetworks.org/__fnorg/signup.php
>>
>> But is it the right way ? Who is runing Freenetworks.org ? Is this 
>> website
>> visited a lot compared to Red libre , athen or other Meta sites ?
>>
>> On this MAP , i would see
>> - only free ( gratis ) and open networks ( could be without internet ) .
>> - A simple fill-in form, giving an email address, giving your map 
>> website , and
>> your XML nodes URL ( like the wifidog ones , but other formats could 
>> be used
>> like the ones from Guifi , athens etc ...) .
>> Then we could Sum up all the nodes of the world and we would see that 
>> we don't
>> need " closed communities" like F** to build paying hotspots ....
>> We shall give a try in the next few weeks I guess, on
>> http://carte.wireless-fr.org
>>
>> This is a very short and simplistic answer to your long email Ramon , 
>> I'll try
>> to go deeply...
>>
>> Last question : was would be right now the central directory of wireless
>> communities ?
>> http://wiki.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/WirelessCommunities
>>
>> or http://freenetworks.org ?
>> other meta sites ?  is there a database where all this data are 
>> present ?
>> Example : could be a good thing to have at least on Guy of each 
>> community
>> subscribed to this list... ( community at freenetworks.org )
>>
>> Cheers all ...
>>
>>
>> Selon Ramon Roca <ramon.roca at guifi.net>:
>>
>>  
>>> Hi michel, (and everybody)
>>>
>>> Not so far from you, at guifi.net, we have recently developed a new 
>>> map services for meet out growing requirements and scalability, 100% 
>>> based on open source and free public resources (mapserver, public 
>>> maps, etc). I'm pleased to use this reply to announce it here, and 
>>> also post to the WSFII list (sorry).
>>>
>>> You can see it live at http://maps.guifi.net
>>>
>>> We've built it in a way that can be used worldwide, people just have 
>>> to find our their local map sources and add them, i.e. if you drill 
>>> down into catalonia, you'll get ortophoto details up to 5K 
>>> resolution.. . data is feeded also in open xml formats (in our case, 
>>> extracted from our drupal module application, you can see our 
>>> database at http://guifi.net/guifi_zones ).
>>>
>>> To give an example, here is my node:
>>>
>>>     
>> http://maps.guifi.net/world.phtml?Pointer=Y&local_maps=Y&Supernodes=Y&NodesAP=Y&NodesClient=Y&NodesProjected=Y&LinksWDS=Y&LinksClient=Y&LinksOffline=Y&Lang=ca&ViewRegion=Veure+directament&minx=2.165619&miny=41.908991&maxx=2.301663&maxy=42.011024&imagewidth=600&imageheight=450&mainmap.x=323&mainmap.y=169&CMD=ZOOM_IN&KEYMAPXSIZE=120&KEYMAPYSIZE=90&kminx=0.127079&kminy=40.465125&kmaxx=3.371953&kmaxy=42.898781&MapSize=600%2C450&CMD=ZOOM_IN&PREVIOUS_MODE=1 
>>
>>  
>>> We did in that way instead of Google maps because of several 
>>> reasons. Mapserver is opensource, google currently does not provide 
>>> this level of details in our rural areas, where our network is most 
>>> developed, google javascripts may suck on zones with hundreds of 
>>> nodes like ours, and requires an agreement where they talk about 
>>> some undefined "reserved rights". Not to mention that Google is 
>>> somewhat involved in that "mouvement".
>>>
>>> 100% agree on you pints. IMHO I do think that worldwide free network 
>>> infrastructures lacks of a global view (or I'm not aware of it, 
>>> sorry if I do miss something relevant). Many other databases you 
>>> just don't know about what really they are about...
>>>
>>> To allow interoperability between every community way of 
>>> storing/managing their network information, and still be able to 
>>> aggregate information, we are developing what we call "nodexchange" 
>>> format. This map application already implements some of the 
>>> nodexchange features.
>>>
>>> We have those maps available to everybody on a svn, and at guifi.net 
>>> we'll be very happy to help in porting this to other sites, or 
>>> include more local maps resources from other countries or regions 
>>> (currently only Catalonia, Spain and US)...
>>>
>>> We just ask to any potential adopter to be a truly communtity style 
>>> free network, we are using our version of the Wireless Commons, but 
>>> anything similar like picopeer agreements etc will be ok,  we just 
>>> want to avoid to get listed by some speculative "mouvements" which 
>>> we do still don't know what they really build and in which terms. 
>>> I'm sure that everybody understands.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers to everybody,
>>> Ramon Roca.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> En/na michel memeteau ha escrit:
>>>
>>>    
>>>> Hi , I'm new to this list but it's been few months I discovered
>>>>       
>>> freenetworks.org
>>>    
>>>> and I hope it's gonna become a wordwide movement taking over 
>>>> commercial
>>>>       
>>> pseudo
>>>    
>>>> "mouvement " ( do you see who I'm talking about ?)
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to know if there is already a map for finding Worldwide 
>>>> communities
>>>>       We started one with france
>>>> http://carte.wireless-fr.org/
>>>>
>>>> And right now the datas are in a XML file
>>>>
>>>> http://carte.wireless-fr.org/assoce_status.xml
>>>>
>>>> But this could be in a SQL Database ....
>>>>
>>>> I always thought freenetworks.org was the place for this kind of 
>>>> map, even
>>>> another map with worldwide internet-providing  active access points 
>>>> ( using
>>>> Wifidog for example ) would show people we don't need commercial 
>>>> mouvement
>>>>       
>>> ...
>>>    
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think about mapping and if this has already 
>>>> been done
>>>>       
>>> ...
>>>    
>>>> cheers
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>       
>>
>>
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