[wsfii-discuss] Was FON in Spain - Now, can someone please explain...

Tue Jul 18 18:47:56 UTC 2006

just some bits about your last paragraph ... here, in guifi.net we
have remote control of the routers in our network ( an example, one of the
routers in the roof of my house, http://guifi.net/en/guifi/device/1803 )

you can see a transit graph and a alive graph, the firts tells about the
bandwitch used by the router and the second the pings and the delay of the
pings

we use SMP and rddtool to generate the graphs, in networks troublesomes
it's useful, in DDOS or other bits like this maybe it's not the best tool

cheers,

gil forcada

en/na Ken DiPietro va dir:
> James,
>
> Thank you for your well thought out explanation. As you would expect, I
> have inserted my comments and questions in-line.
>
> james stevens wrote:
>> All networks would face difficulties dealing with the examples you
>> suggest. We can only offer each other help and assistance at a scale
>> and depth within our reach as collaborators, operate systems we
>> understand and respond to issues as they arise.
>
> I am in complete agreement. This is why I am raising these questions in
> the context of developing nations deployments.
>
>> These are lightweight infrastructures and though vulnerable is many
>> ways are easily repairable and flexible enough to overcome obstacles.
>> Networks and users will always require attention and support as they
>> grow and develop, and will always raise issues for us to tackle.
>
> Again, based on a developing nation deployment, who would be the person
> that fixes these problems - oftentimes fighting the obstacles of very
> computer illiterate users coupled with long distances compounding the
> problems.
>
> My concern is based on who, if anyone, is looking at this aspect of the
> daily use of these networks.
>
> In a centralized network, this type of problem can be dealt with,
> individual users can be shut off if they are infected with a virus as
> well as defensive action can be taken from DDOS attacks. Considering
> that roughly 2/3rds of the total Internet traffic is now compromised of
> PtP transfers a centralized network can also "manage" this traffic but I
> see no comparable mechanism in the networks we are talking about here.
> Is there such a thing? Does this even need to be addressed?
>
>> Our "spontaneous networks" are user oriented, all involved have a
>> contribution to make and much to learn.
>
> Please understand, I love this concept and can see all kinds of
> applications for this technology ranging from emergency communications
> to infrastructure deployment as well as many, many others. I see this
> type of network being able to provide many critical services while
> providing value to the community at large without monthly recurring
> expenses. However, this is also something that I see as being suitable
> for industrialized nations to be deploying and based on my complete lack
> of understanding I have concerns (as noted above) that this type of
> network architecture is not the best choice for developing nations as it
> sits today.
>
> Based on your experience, do you think some kind of management can be
> designed where "superusers" can be granted the ability to see network
> issues and fix them remotely? Can some kind of monitoring be built into
> these platforms that will identify trouble spots so they can be dealt
> with? Is this approach even advisable?
>
>
> Again, thank you for your insight,
>
> Ken
>
>
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