[wsfii-discuss] Economic Sustainability of Community Wireless(sorry had to resend due to incorrect hyperlink)

Fri Apr 6 05:52:43 UTC 2007

Hey vickram,
     Lets not carry impression , enforce the " Right for Information Act "
& you will certainly get all the details.  I see WSFII as a great ally . How
we convince is a different matter

Ashish


On 4/6/07, Vickram Crishna <v1clist at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> cf my post on Pune city a few minutes back, Intel is
> the technology provider for the wimax component. We
> had invited the Indian technology partner, Microsense,
> to Dharamsala for AirJaldi/Wsfii, but they chose to
> stay away, and also abstained from sharing any data
> from the Pune experiment. My personal impression is
> that they view WSFII as a huge threat.
>
> I am curious, and perhaps Malcolm can assist with his
> wealth of experience, about the 'clash of cultures'
> implied here. It would be a pity if the potentiality
> of such change-bringing technologies is vitiated
> through perceptions of ideological opposition. To wit,
> be sad if the benefits of accessible broadband be
> diluted out of the fear of alternative economic
> models.
>
>
> --- marco <marco.pompe at web.de> wrote:
>
> > hi
> >
> > so what is the business matter all about?
> >
> > 1. funding of local ngo's providing free trainings
> > 2. founding a professional non-profit hardware
> > supply (cooperative?)
> > 3. founding of local and international non-profit
> > ISP's
> >
> > i hope we can do something about it, as a global
> > community, focussing on
> > ghana this year.
> >
> > grts, marco, berlin
> >
> >
> > Fred Pook wrote:
> > > Like this:
> > >
> > > "Intel is investing $1 billion over the next 5
> > years to enhance lives
> > > by providing access to uncompomised technology for
> > anyone, anywhere"
> > >
> > > http://www.intel.com/intel/worldahead/index.htm
> > >
> > > Anybody on this lists knows anybody at Intel?
> > >
> > > Thanks Freddy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/5/07, Fred Pook <fredpook at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Ashish,
> > >>
> > >> As usual you speak sharp, practical and clear
> > again.
> > >> What we need is outsiders/ marketing / pr /
> > design type of talent to
> > >> push your (and our) vision. All the pieces are
> > there. Low cost Mesh is
> > >> a reality (TibTec build one in Dhasa, Magip.net
> > build one in Goa).
> > >> Solar panels are manufactured in Kerala, low
> > cost. WiFi (Skype)
> > >> handsets are becoming mass products as we speak.
> > >>
> > >> I just can't believe that no large tech company
> > like Linksys/Cisco or
> > >> a Taiwanese OEM manufacturer or Intel just picks
> > this up and starts to
> > >> invest in multiple pilots and then let the
> > communities replicate the
> > >> best practises...
> > >>
> > >> We need a financial shot in the arm or we at
> > WSFII are just a fun
> > >> hacker club.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Freddy
> > >> Magip.net
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 4/5/07, Assoc of Public ICT Tools Access Prov
> > <list at apiap.org> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi Jeff ,
> > >> >      IMHO, The issue is multi dimensional.  We
> > are creating a supply &
> > >> > demand simultaneously. Thus we need to bring in
> > Tech, social,
> > >> > Entrepreneurial mind together . Thus the answer
> > will come only if
> > >> you bring
> > >> > in people outside the wireless community & talk
> > to them of
> > >> solution.  They
> > >> > will help you identify a killer app.
> > >> >
> > >> > Today rural folks in Asia or Africa is not soo
> > tech savvy as his
> > >> European
> > >> > counterpart . to evaluate whats best for him in
> > long term .  They just
> > >> > lap-up whats available , packaged well &
> > dependable.
> > >> >
> > >> > Now  let me attempt an analogy, Some of us met
> > at Dharamshala - for
> > >> Airjaldi
> > >> > event . The town is in one of the poorest
> > federal state of India ,
> > >> Himachal
> > >> > Pradesh.
> > >> >
> > >> > The Per capita Income is just 1/10th of Finland
> > .  But almost 1 in
> > >> 6 own a
> > >> > mobile phone ! . & for most the cost of
> > communication is almost 10%
> > >> of their
> > >> > family budget.
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
>
> http://www.mobilepundit.com/2006/11/26/every-6th-person-in-himachal-has-a-mobile/
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > The poor Himchalis have no choice but to buy it
> > , cause there is a
> > >> long
> > >> > waiting line for POTs  &  the service is just
> > not dependable.  &
> > >> there is no
> > >> > one to offer an alternative untill the cell
> > phones came in.
> > >> >
> > >> > Now 70% of the network is owned a by single
> > operator & 70% of
> > >> Handsets are
> > >> > supplied by the finnish company Nokia.
> > >> >
> > >> > Now won't it be an exciting proposition to help
> > them slash the
> > >> budget by a
> > >> > third. ie 3%  ( = to world average )
> > >> >
> > >> > So if Voice is a killer app & if you can help
> > bring a plan where
> > >> you can not
> > >> > only reduce your budget  & maybe as well Profit
> > from Participation,
> > >> like a
> > >> > FON http://www.fon.com/en/ . by investing
> > nominal money.
> > >> >
> > >> > Ofcourse there are lot of  issues involved . we
> > need to work out on to
> > >> > optimise on a matrix of the topology which will
> > require least
> > >> access point &
> > >> >  maximum people participating , thus spreading
> > the cost.
> > >> >
> > >> > The initial seed capital .... & many other
> > issues.
> > >> >
> > >> > If we present with say 5 application areas /
> > solutions .  The
> > >> community will
> > >> > come forward and align with the solution which
> > is to their best
> > >> interest.
> > >> >
> > >> > Ok I spoke enough may be its time for a feast
> > for some of you . :)
> > >> >
> > >> > Ashish
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 4/5/07, jeff buderer
> > <jeff at onevillagefoundation.org> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ashish,
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks for the comments. This reminds me of
> > the Motoman projects
> > >> that
> > >> > First Mile Solutions has been involved with in
> > India , Cambodia and
> > >> Rwanda .
> > >> > >
> > >> > > http://www.firstmilesolutions.com/
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > So if we could consider the India Telecom
> > approach as a potential
> > >> model,
> > >> > how would we address funding CWN effort in
> > terms of cost sharing the
> > >> > infrastructure, sustaining operational costs
> > and
> > >> replication/expanding to
> > >> > other regions? Can you help me to understand
> > the specifics?
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Jeff
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
> Vickram
>
>
>
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