[wsfii-discuss] Workshops at WSFII Africa 2007

Sat Apr 28 06:48:36 UTC 2007

Dear Jeff
This is very funny. I think the end of the internet is
not near.

;)
cheers

jeff buderer <jeff at onevillagefoundation.org> wrote: Dear All,

Kloschi Changed the summit wiki to www.wsfiiafica.2007.org today.

Main Title is WSFII Africa 2007 same as website. We may come up with
subtitle based on something relevant to the theme of the event.

Feedback appreciated.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org
[mailto:wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Vickram
Crishna
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:57 PM
To: Discuss list on the World Summit on Free Information Infrastructure
Subject: RE: [wsfii-discuss] Workshops at WSFII Africa 2007

The whole trouble with different languages is that
'native' users of one language tend to reflect their
own cultural and personal persona when they (mis)use
another language. There is no lingua franca. We just
have to learn to accept this, and read each other's
mails/posts with a lot more patience and leeway. 

--- jeff buderer 
wrote:

> Great comments Marco.
> .....
> Kloschi said he was going to transfer the ODiV
> content to the
> www.wsfiiafrica2007.org site so that should help to
> address any
> confusion about opendiv.org. I think
> www.wsfiiafrica2007.org is a more
> appropriate naming of the website for the conference
> and is addressing
> the point that Marco made below.

I would like to see something more coherent and
replicable, not in order to assist 'branding' per se,
but because it tends to faciliate self-organisation
given the current naming conventions that flow out of
the way urls were structured.

So my suggestion is something more along the lines of
africa2007.wsfii.org/wiki and so on, for future
events. 

The 'wsfii' could be opendiv or anything else,
provided we all agree that it hardly matters, unless
we choose a proprietary name. That would be an error.
In my opinion, of course. 

The 'africa' could be 'winneba' or 'ghana' so that it
leaves the possibility open for future events on the
continent this year itself.

As for the kind of misunderstandings that do arise
from using words from a different language, a group of
us here in Mumbai, driven gently by Nagarjuna (who
missed coming to AJS but is no less passionately
committed for that) have loosely set up (there is no
'organisation') what will hopefully becaome a citywide
mesh. Most of the members had never heard of mesh
before beginning, and are not familiar with German at
all - they called it friedfunk, which may be amusing
to hear in English, but doesn't detract from the real
work done and the learning from doing it, not blindly
copying it.

I think we should within ourselves just smile when we
see these complications of language and culture, and
not allow it to spill out as flames. It's not what
someone else says, it is what each one of us means
that matters. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org
> [mailto:wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On
> Behalf Of marco
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:30 PM
> To: Discuss list on the World Summit on Free
> Information Infrastructure
> Subject: Re: [wsfii-discuss] Workshops at WSFII
> Africa 2007
> 
> hello jeff, fred and all ...
> 
> please make sure that nobody of you will try to put
> HIS stamp onto
> anybody else ...
> 
> @ jeff: would u please explain a little further what
> u had in mind. i
> mean, which kind of roleplay u see for OVF within
> the WSFII? and maybe
> even critically reflect it yourself ...?
> 
> @ fred: would u please explain, in how far u believe
> that there could be
> ONE modell of organisation, social and technological
> solution, to export
> and adopt to everywhere in the world? maybe u
> allready guess some might
> disagree with this attitude?
> 
> in general i wouldnt see so much importance in the
> labelling. i think a
> useful label will adopt to the local circumstances
> and is best chosen by
> the local activists. freifunk is a good choice for
> german speakers,
> opendiv might be good for the geeks of the western
> world ... yeah, and
> so on. so what?
> 
> grts, marco, berlin
> 
> Fred Pook wrote:
> > Hi Jeff
> >
> > I would like to see that booklet, where do i find
> it?
> > Also i want to make it clear that opendiv has not
> much to do with One
> > Village Foundation...
> > I am not sure what One Village Foundation is and
> what it actually does
> > in the real world. Jeff, please stop confusing our
> goal with more
> > words. Produce, Create, Do It in the real world.
> Up to now One Village
> > Foundation, in EM radio terms, has just been
> noise..
> >
> > Correct me and produce real material, real funding
> > or get out of this movement because our goal is
> real Independence
> >
> > OVF is on the edge...
> >
> > Thanks Freddy
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/25/07, jeff buderer
>  wrote:
> >> Fred,
> >>
> >> We need to get this idea of OpenDIV sorted out.
> >>
> >> I feel it may be confusing people with regards to
> all these different
> >> names Resources Centers, OpenDIV and Open Digital
> Village.
> >>
> >> I feel the name is not important really the
> convergence of people
> >> around empowering networks is.
> >>
> >> However OVF has recently invested a lot in the
> naming Open Digital
> >> Village and a booklet has actually been published
> on it that we plan
> to
> >> post online soon.
> >>
> >> So I'd like us to get clear on how this what we
> have done relates to
> >> Open Div.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> Hi Thomas,
> >>
> >> This process of linking and sharing resources is
> what opendiv.org is
> >> for. the website of OpenDiv will contain best
> practices and announce
> >> and collect data from worldwide "Free Information
> Infrastructures".
> >>
> >> The actual networks are, if we agree on it or if
> each community
> 
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Vickram

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