[wsfii-discuss] RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential tooltospread wsfii ideas to Africa and Developing World

Thu Jul 12 16:02:24 UTC 2007

Vickram:

I now see your point. If you ever wish to talk on a Webinar let me know and
we can set up on a mutually agreed upon date, if that is possible at your
end.

Asif

http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS
http://www.trainerspod.com/community
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-----Original Message-----
From: wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org
[mailto:wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Vickram Crishna
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:57 PM
To: Discuss list on the World Summit on Free Information Infrastructure
Subject: RE: [wsfii-discuss] RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential
tooltospread wsfii ideas to Africa and Developing World

Asif, I apologise for any sense of incompletion and uncertainty you have
regarding my talking on the
topic(s) I would love to have more people around the world get their teeth
into. My hesitation is based merely on my inability to assure myself that I
will actually be online on a particular day and time. I have seen that your
webinars need a deal of coordination, since they are timed and dated events.

The reality is that without a very expensive fixed line service, in a city
like Mumbai in India, it is simply impossible to set up a global
conference/lecture. My connection at my home/office, which is among the more
expensive home options available in my locality (from a globally famous
service operator), is *never* the 24/7 I pay for. The electricity too is no
longer the 24/7 service this city used to be famous for in the country. I
will certainly 'book' a date on webinars once I know a reasonable period in
advance that I can actually be assured (say, if I have regular access to
office premises with a true broadband connection) of being online as
promised.

A bit of a whinge, I agree, but this is reality.
Achieving global broadband access for all is much more than sticking a few
aerials up on rooftops. As someone familiar with parts of Africa you know
the situation much more critically.

You probably think that by 'broadband' I meant 1 Mbps or higher, as is
commonly accepted in the US, but I am happy to settle for an assured always
on, 24/7, at much lower bandwidth. In India, incidentally, the term is
slowly beginning to mean 256 kbps and more, and always on. It used to be 64
kbps, incidentally, a BIG step up from unreliable dialup at 56 kbps in the
cities and 9.6 kbps everywhere else. 

My comments about applications are quite independent of the need for
broadband. I seriously think that for the first time ever, people now have
the ability to communicate with anyone anywhere, in any form, using many of
the senses most of us have. This naturally throws up a plethora of archives
for people who actually do use these communications as a part of life and
work. To my knowledge, there is no application that actually binds these
together in a coherent form, as I described would be nice for me.  

--- asif.daya at trainerspod.com wrote:

> Vickram:
> 
> You are mistaken. You do NOT need broadband. I had someone from Africa 
> with
> 28.8 modem login successfully - yes we did not do videos but we did 
> powerpoints and discussions which is the norm. So, I would stop from 
> this hesitancy due to bandwidth and just say you are not interested.
> 
> Asif
>  
> http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS
> http://www.trainerspod.com/community
> http://www.trainerspod.com/info
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org
> [mailto:wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Vickram 
> Crishna
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:59 AM
> To: Discuss list on the World Summit on Free Information 
> Infrastructure
> Subject: Re: [wsfii-discuss] RE: Trainerspot
> Webinars: A Potential tool
> tospread wsfii ideas to Africa and Developing World
> 
> Aside from Asif's application, some of us have been using Gizmo and 
> Skype for the monthly conference Laura organised. I must admit my own 
> bandwidth limitations have made this a less than enjoyable session for 
> me, and the unreliability of the connection itself makes it hard to 
> actually be sure to attend.
> 
> All the more reason to fervently want broadband for all. And an 
> application that will make it easier to get a grip on - and 
> participate in! - all the different things happening around the world. 
> So far, in my humble opinion, lists, conversations, wikis and 
> conferences don't even begin to make the cut.
> 
> --- jeff buderer <jeff at onevillagefoundation.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > Things seem to have gotten pretty quiet here.
> >  
> > Any volunteers willing to take Asif up on his
> offer?
> >  
> > Anyone a bit curious about Asif and what he does
> and how it might
> > relate to the future of wsfii?
> >  
> > I think this could evolve into real opportunity to
> put together some
> > web conferences to better link together our
> network and also be a way
> > to demonstrate how we can effectively use ICT
> tools without having to
> > travel to meet someone in person at a conference
> or other physical
> > location.
> >  
> > Jeff
> >  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asif.daya at trainerspod.com
> > [mailto:asif.daya at trainerspod.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:35 PM
> > To: jeff at onevillagefoundation.org;
> > wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org
> > Subject: RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential
> tool to spread wsfii
> > ideas to Africa and Developing World
> >  
> > Jeff:
> > 
> > You can get a detailed info about trainerspod from
> the links below and
> > the sublinks below those pages especially the home
> page and community
> > page. There are links at the bottom to follow.
> >  
> > Yes, it would be nice to have volunteers put
> together a webinar.
> >  
> > I too would love feedback on Wi-Max.
> >  
> > I hear sound foundry is pretty good too. But I had
> someone from Africa
> > login at 28.8 modem into our Webinar held in the
> USA. Video would be
> > an impossibility - but there are options for video
> and showing your
> > desktop or the www. You can try it out at:
> > http://www.vroom.com or
> > http://www.elluminate.com/vroom where you can
> login and invite two
> > other colleagues - you will be the moderator with
> privileges - but you
> > can reassign privileges. Try it out for Africa.
> The person will need
> > to go
> > to: http://www.elluminate.com/support to see if
> they have the Java
> > modules. You too will have to go there to convert
> your Powerpoints to
> > .wbd (whiteboard) format. ENJOY!!!
> >  
> > Asif
> >  
> >  <http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS>
> > http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS
> >  <http://www.trainerspod.com/community>
> > http://www.trainerspod.com/community
> >  <http://www.trainerspod.com/info>
> > http://www.trainerspod.com/info
> > 
> > Please consider the environment before printing
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> >  
> >  
> >   _____
> > 
> > From: Jeff Buderer
> > [mailto:jeff at onevillagefoundation.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:16 PM
> > To: asif.daya at trainerspod.com;
> > wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org
> > Subject: RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential
> tool to spread wsfii
> > ideas to Africa and Developing World Asif,
> > 
> > >The train begins in Kenya and moves towards the
> > rural areas whereby
> > medical help is provided. I would like to add ICT
> help >and hopefully
> > through the grant get broadband. I would need to
> hire locals for the
> > portions of the grant.
> > 
> > Do you have a detailed document about Trainerspod
> that I could review?
> > 
> > My thought would be that this could be something
> that because it is
> > operational project could be a good foundation for
> seeking a grant for
> > the development of a wireless network along the
> rail line that
> > Trainspod operates on. Then networks could expand
> from the wireless
> > node at each stop.
> > >If we could encourage speakers on the topics you
> > have recommended below
> > we can discuss how to develop the topic into
> > >something of interest to
> > Africa. Anyone interested please contact me at 
> > asif.daya at trainerspod.com
> > 
> > Yes Regarding the presentation...I am wondering if
> we could have some
> > volunteers here to help us put together a
> presentation for the
> > Webinar.
> > >Yes I understand it is not just about wireless
> > (although as you know I
> > am interested in Wi-Max to push the country
> forward)
> > >but also about
> > ICT.
> > 
> > I would be interested to hear feedback from some
> of the folks here
> > regardign WiMAX verses 802.11
> > >Yes, I understand the need for exchange of flow
> of
> > information and the
> > problems faced at each end. That is why I choose
> > >Elluminate - it can
> > accept very low bandwidth for communication. I had
> someone log-in at
> > 28.8K modem once from Africa!!
> >  
> > Sounds good. Of possible relevance...I have been
> in communications
> > with Soft Foundry
> (http://www.softfoundry.com/home.php)
> > regarding their low
> > bandwidth video conference technology.
> > 
> 
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Vickram

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