[wsfii-discuss] RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential tool to spread wsfii ideas to Africa and Developing World
Jeff Buderer
jeff at onevillagefoundation.org
Wed Jun 20 21:15:50 UTC 2007
Asif,
>The train begins in Kenya and moves towards
the rural areas whereby medical help is provided. I would like to add ICT help
>and hopefully through the grant get broadband. I would need to hire locals for
the portions of the grant.
Do you have a detailed document about Trainerspod that I could review?
My thought would be that this could be something that because it is operational project could be a good foundation for seeking a grant for the development of a wireless network along the rail line that Trainspod operates on. Then networks could expand from the wireless node at each stop.
>If we could encourage speakers on the topics you have
recommended below we can discuss how to develop the topic into >something of
interest to Africa. Anyone interested please contact me at asif.daya at trainerspod.com
Yes Regarding the presentation...I am wondering if we could have some volunteers here to help us put together a presentation for the Webinar.
>Yes I understand it is not just about wireless (although as
you know I am interested in Wi-Max to push the country forward) >but also about
ICT.
I would be interested to hear feedback from some of the folks here regardign WiMAX verses 802.11
>Yes, I understand the need for exchange of flow of
information and the problems faced at each end. That is why I choose >Elluminate
- it can accept very low bandwidth for communication. I had someone log-in at
28.8K modem once from Africa!!
Sounds good. Of possible relevance...I have been in communications with Soft Foundry (http://www.softfoundry.com/home.php) regarding their low bandwidth video conference technology.
Jeff
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From: asif.daya at trainerspod.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:35 AM
To: jeff at onevillagefoundation.org>, <wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org
Subject: RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential tool to spread wsfii ideas to Africa and Developing World
Jeff:
The train begins in Kenya and moves towards
the rural areas whereby medical help is provided. I would like to add ICT help
and hopefully through the grant get broadband. I would need to hire locals for
the portions of the grant.
Yes, I understand the need for exchange of flow of
information and the problems faced at each end. That is why I choose Elluminate
- it can accept very low bandwidth for communication. I had someone log-in at
28.8K modem once from Africa!!
Yes I understand it is not just about wireless (although as
you know I am interested in Wi-Max to push the country forward) but also about
ICT.
If we could encourage speakers on the topics you have
recommended below we can discuss how to develop the topic into something of
interest to Africa. Anyone interested please contact me at asif.daya at trainerspod.com
You can see some of the archives at: http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS
Asif
http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS
http://www.trainerspod.com/community
http://www.trainerspod.com/info
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From: Jeff Buderer
[mailto:jeff at onevillagefoundation.org]
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007
6:43 AM
To: asif.daya at trainerspod.com;
wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org
Subject: Trainerspot Webinars: A
Potential tool to spread wsfii ideas to Africa and Developing
World
Asif,
Thanks for joining here. I had a chance to finally check
out your website. You are doing great work, but I would like to find out more
about the actual train that you have in Kenya and how that project works.
I would be reluctant to do the presentation on my own as I am not an
expert on wireless but I am sure there are many here which would be great
candidates to do the webinar.
You also seem to understand that it is not
just about wireless but using ICT best practices as a way to effectively bridge
the digital divide and scale and integrate existing development best practices
and communicate that effectively to the field.
some areas to consider
(might be good to break the presentation into three parts):
1. about wsfii
community wireless networks and background
2. the technical sides of wireless
and where things are going
3. telecenter model and wireless considering open
digital village as one example discussing the need for a holistic
approach
Jeff
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From: asif.daya at trainerspod.com
Sent:
Friday, June 15, 2007 2:50 PM
To: "'Discuss list on the
World Summit on Free Information Infrastructure'"
<wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
Subject: RE:
[wsfii-discuss] ... take the lead - Date selection
If you can get
a group from Africa that has access to computers, speakers
and a microphone -
I have access to Elluminate whereby we can have a
discussion via a URL. It is
a VLE and allows for PPTs, www, multimedia etc.
People can chat one at a time
and can use the Whiteboard. Let me know if
this interests you. I usually use
it for 2 hours otherwise my bill gets too
high for storing the media - yes,
we can record
it.
Asif
http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS
http://www.trainerspod.com/community
http://www.trainerspod.com/info
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On Behalf Of Ian Howard
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:28 AM
To: Discuss
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Subject: Re:
[wsfii-discuss] ... take the lead - Date selection
Vickram,
Gregers,
Yes, I see your point, that thought had occurred to me too, but
lets say
that we use the meetomatic results as a survey to see where there is
a the
most interest for a date, then there will need to be a decision made,
based
on that info and other variables. To a degree I trust that most people
will
self-select themselves (not respond if they are not intending to go). I
am
certainly willing to use another tool, but how about we use this one for
the
date survey?
Tomas,
Yes, you are quite right, our local
people are not, so far, very involved.
This is somewhat typical for many
on-line projects, I'm afraid. Perhaps
because local people may not have a
computer of their own, at their home, or
where they work and thus they do not
participate in such forums as actively
and are not immersed in an online
culture.
This particular issue is one that the open source community has to
address
in Africa in general, how do we engage local participants, how can
they
participate in these forums? Does the medium have to change?
Sometimes I also find that the way we in low context societies dialogue
on
these lists might be awkward from people of higher context societies.
Perhaps we just need to continue to encourage and invite the
local
participants to be involved. Any other
ideas?
Ian
marco wrote:
> hi
>
> i agree
with both of you. how this is possible? i think because, you
> are
discussing a problem which has not yet evolved. i think we just
> should
give this tool a chance, as we should give it to the ghanaian
>
administrive group, as seen in the minutes. its surely a process and
>
the discussions we do are I in no way useless, but of great value, as
>
this is the kind of direct exchange the world has missed for the last
>
100.000 years ;)
>
> grts, marco, berlin
>
> Vickram
Crishna schrieb:
>
>> --- Gregers Petersen
wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Vickram
Crishna wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> To be fair
I think only those who can actually go (with reasonable
>>>>
surety) to the meeting, or will
>>>>
>>>>
>>> be
>>>
>>>
>>>>
helping out with logistics and therefore are
>>>>
>>>>
>>> impacted
>>>
>>>
>>>> by the date, should vote. In other words,
only
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
direct
>>>
>>>
>>>> stakeholders should
vote.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I believe the
position from which Ian argues is that everyone is a
>>> direct
stakeholder - everyone who (at what ever
>>> level) participates
in
>>> WSFII activities is a stakeholder.
>>>
>>>
>> I think this is applicable and very much a WSFII
value for other
>> situations, but here we are discussing specific
WSFII events - how
>> will I add value (and not in fact detract from a
fair assessment) by
>> voting for some date for an event that I have
no intention or ability
>> to attend or otherwise directly
contribute.
>>
>> Take the Ghana meeting - if it should turn
out that I am not going to
>> attend anyway, how will my vote be
useful (I could mischievously vote
>> the meet should be in September
or December, and thus skew the
>> results, and impact other WSFII
meets or even meets of other wireless
>> mesh groups - all
uselessly)?
>>
>>
>>>> I don't know if this
meeting scheduler can remove irrelevant votes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Non of the votes are
irrelevant!
>>>
>>>
>> Just as someone asked
who will take charge of administrative tasks
>> for a web site, to
prevent spamming, vandalising or disreputable
>> activities, so must
there be some purpose in voting. Thus the
>> electoral college for a
meet ought to be made up of people who want
>> to attend or help
directly.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Are there any
other choices
>>>
>>>
>>>> available
for such processes online?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It will be up to the indiviudals who are
active on the coord-list
>>> (which is open to everybody) to look
at the options, discuss them on
>>> the 'list'
>>> and
come-up with a decision - and then get on with
it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Perfectly
right. But they should also be able to review who has
>> voted, in
order to reverse the effect of such spamming.
>>
>>
Vickram
>>
>>
>>
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