[wsfii-discuss] RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential tool to spread wsfii ideas to Africa and Developing World

Wed Jun 20 21:15:50 UTC 2007

Asif, 

>The train begins in Kenya and moves towards 
the rural areas whereby medical help is provided. I would like to add ICT help 
>and hopefully through the grant get broadband. I would need to hire locals for 
the portions of the grant. 

Do you have a detailed document about Trainerspod that I could review?

My thought would be that this could be something that because it is operational project could be a good foundation for seeking a grant for the development of a wireless network along the rail line that Trainspod operates on. Then networks could expand from the wireless node at each stop.

>If we could encourage speakers on the topics you have 
recommended below we can discuss how to develop the topic into >something of 
interest to Africa. Anyone interested please contact me at asif.daya at trainerspod.com 

Yes Regarding the presentation...I am wondering if we could have some volunteers here to help us put together a presentation for the Webinar.

>Yes I understand it is not just about wireless (although as 
you know I am interested in Wi-Max to push the country forward) >but also about 
ICT. 

I would be interested to hear feedback from some of the folks here regardign WiMAX verses 802.11

>Yes, I understand the need for exchange of flow of 
information and the problems faced at each end. That is why I choose >Elluminate 
- it can accept very low bandwidth for communication. I had someone log-in at 
28.8K modem once from Africa!! 

Sounds good. Of possible relevance...I have been in communications with Soft Foundry (http://www.softfoundry.com/home.php) regarding their low bandwidth video conference technology.

Jeff

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From: asif.daya at trainerspod.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:35 AM
To: jeff at onevillagefoundation.org>, <wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org
Subject: RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential tool to spread wsfii ideas to Africa and Developing World 

Jeff:

The train begins in Kenya and moves towards 
the rural areas whereby medical help is provided. I would like to add ICT help 
and hopefully through the grant get broadband. I would need to hire locals for 
the portions of the grant. 

Yes, I understand the need for exchange of flow of 
information and the problems faced at each end. That is why I choose Elluminate 
- it can accept very low bandwidth for communication. I had someone log-in at 
28.8K modem once from Africa!! 

Yes I understand it is not just about wireless (although as 
you know I am interested in Wi-Max to push the country forward) but also about 
ICT. 

If we could encourage speakers on the topics you have 
recommended below we can discuss how to develop the topic into something of 
interest to Africa. Anyone interested please contact me at asif.daya at trainerspod.com 

You can see some of the archives at: http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS  

Asif 

http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS 
http://www.trainerspod.com/community 
http://www.trainerspod.com/info 

Please consider the environment 
before printing this message. 

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From: Jeff Buderer 
[mailto:jeff at onevillagefoundation.org] 
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 
6:43 AM
To: asif.daya at trainerspod.com; 
wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org
Subject: Trainerspot Webinars: A 
Potential tool to spread wsfii ideas to Africa and Developing 
World

Asif,

Thanks for joining here. I had a chance to finally check 
out your website. You are doing great work, but I would like to find out more 
about the actual train that you have in Kenya and how that project works. 

I would be reluctant to do the presentation on my own as I am not an 
expert on wireless but I am sure there are many here which would be great 
candidates to do the webinar.

You also seem to understand that it is not 
just about wireless but using ICT best practices as a way to effectively bridge 
the digital divide and scale and integrate existing development best practices 
and communicate that effectively to the field.

some areas to consider 
(might be good to break the presentation into three parts):
1. about wsfii 
community wireless networks and background
2. the technical sides of wireless 
and where things are going
3. telecenter model and wireless considering open 
digital village as one example discussing the need for a holistic 
approach

Jeff

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From: asif.daya at trainerspod.com
Sent: 
Friday, June 15, 2007 2:50 PM
To: "'Discuss list on the 
World Summit on Free Information Infrastructure'" 
<wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
Subject: RE: 
[wsfii-discuss] ... take the lead - Date selection 

If you can get 
a group from Africa that has access to computers, speakers
and a microphone - 
I have access to Elluminate whereby we can have a
discussion via a URL. It is 
a VLE and allows for PPTs, www, multimedia etc.
People can chat one at a time 
and can use the Whiteboard. Let me know if
this interests you. I usually use 
it for 2 hours otherwise my bill gets too
high for storing the media - yes, 
we can record 
it.

Asif

http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS
http://www.trainerspod.com/community
http://www.trainerspod.com/info

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On Behalf Of Ian Howard
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:28 AM
To: Discuss 
list on the World Summit on Free Information Infrastructure
Subject: Re: 
[wsfii-discuss] ... take the lead - Date selection

Vickram, 
Gregers,

Yes, I see your point, that thought had occurred to me too, but 
lets say
that we use the meetomatic results as a survey to see where there is 
a the
most interest for a date, then there will need to be a decision made, 
based
on that info and other variables. To a degree I trust that most people 
will
self-select themselves (not respond if they are not intending to go). I 
am
certainly willing to use another tool, but how about we use this one for 
the
date survey?

Tomas,

Yes, you are quite right, our local 
people are not, so far, very involved.
This is somewhat typical for many 
on-line projects, I'm afraid. Perhaps
because local people may not have a 
computer of their own, at their home, or
where they work and thus they do not 
participate in such forums as actively
and are not immersed in an online 
culture. 
This particular issue is one that the open source community has to 
address
in Africa in general, how do we engage local participants, how can 
they
participate in these forums? Does the medium have to change? 

Sometimes I also find that the way we in low context societies dialogue 
on
these lists might be awkward from people of higher context societies. 

Perhaps we just need to continue to encourage and invite the 
local
participants to be involved. Any other 
ideas?

Ian

marco wrote:
> hi
>
> i agree 
with both of you. how this is possible? i think because, you 
> are 
discussing a problem which has not yet evolved. i think we just 
> should 
give this tool a chance, as we should give it to the ghanaian 
> 
administrive group, as seen in the minutes. its surely a process and 
> 
the discussions we do are I in no way useless, but of great value, as 
> 
this is the kind of direct exchange the world has missed for the last 
> 
100.000 years ;)
>
> grts, marco, berlin
>
> Vickram 
Crishna schrieb:
> 
>> --- Gregers Petersen 
wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>>> Vickram 
Crishna wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> To be fair 
I think only those who can actually go (with reasonable 
>>>> 
surety) to the meeting, or will
>>>> 
>>>> 

>>> be
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
helping out with logistics and therefore are
>>>> 

>>>> 
>>> impacted
>>> 
>>> 

>>>> by the date, should vote. In other words, 
only
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
direct
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> stakeholders should 
vote.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> I believe the 
position from which Ian argues is that everyone is a 
>>> direct 
stakeholder - everyone who (at what ever
>>> level) participates 
in
>>> WSFII activities is a stakeholder.
>>> 

>>> 
>> I think this is applicable and very much a WSFII 
value for other 
>> situations, but here we are discussing specific 
WSFII events - how 
>> will I add value (and not in fact detract from a 
fair assessment) by 
>> voting for some date for an event that I have 
no intention or ability 
>> to attend or otherwise directly 
contribute.
>>
>> Take the Ghana meeting - if it should turn 
out that I am not going to 
>> attend anyway, how will my vote be 
useful (I could mischievously vote 
>> the meet should be in September 
or December, and thus skew the 
>> results, and impact other WSFII 
meets or even meets of other wireless 
>> mesh groups - all 
uselessly)?
>> 
>> 
>>>> I don't know if this 
meeting scheduler can remove irrelevant votes.
>>>> 

>>>> 
>>> Non of the votes are 
irrelevant!
>>> 
>>> 
>> Just as someone asked 
who will take charge of administrative tasks 
>> for a web site, to 
prevent spamming, vandalising or disreputable 
>> activities, so must 
there be some purpose in voting. Thus the 
>> electoral college for a 
meet ought to be made up of people who want 
>> to attend or help 
directly.
>>
>> 
>> 
>>> Are there any 
other choices
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> available 
for such processes online?
>>>>
>>>> 

>>>> 
>>> It will be up to the indiviudals who are 
active on the coord-list 
>>> (which is open to everybody) to look 
at the options, discuss them on 
>>> the 'list'
>>> and 
come-up with a decision - and then get on with 
it.
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>> Perfectly 
right. But they should also be able to review who has 
>> voted, in 
order to reverse the effect of such spamming.
>>
>> 
Vickram
>>
>>
>> 
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