[wsfii-discuss] RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential tool to spread wsfii ideas to Africa and Developing World

Mon Jun 25 08:07:51 UTC 2007

Things seem to have gotten pretty quiet here.

Any volunteers willing to take Asif up on his offer?

Anyone a bit curious about Asif and what he does and how it might relate
to the future of wsfii?

I think this could evolve into real opportunity to put together some web
conferences to better link together our network and also be a way to
demonstrate how we can effectively use ICT tools without having to
travel to meet someone in person at a conference or other physical
location.

Jeff

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From: asif.daya at trainerspod.com [mailto:asif.daya at trainerspod.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:35 PM
To: jeff at onevillagefoundation.org; wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org
Subject: RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential tool to spread wsfii
ideas to Africa and Developing World

Jeff:

You can get a detailed info about trainerspod from the links below and
the sublinks below those pages especially the home page and community
page. There are links at the bottom to follow.

Yes, it would be nice to have volunteers put together a webinar.

I too would love feedback on Wi-Max.

I hear sound foundry is pretty good too. But I had someone from Africa
login at 28.8 modem into our Webinar held in the USA. Video would be an
impossibility - but there are options for video and showing your desktop
or the www. You can try it out at: http://www.vroom.com or
http://www.elluminate.com/vroom where you can login and invite two other
colleagues - you will be the moderator with privileges - but you can
reassign privileges. Try it out for Africa. The person will need to go
to: http://www.elluminate.com/support to see if they have the Java
modules. You too will have to go there to convert your Powerpoints to
.wbd (whiteboard) format. ENJOY!!!

Asif

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From: Jeff Buderer [mailto:jeff at onevillagefoundation.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:16 PM
To: asif.daya at trainerspod.com; wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org
Subject: RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential tool to spread wsfii
ideas to Africa and Developing World
Asif, 

>The train begins in Kenya and moves towards the rural areas whereby
medical help is provided. I would like to add ICT help >and hopefully
through the grant get broadband. I would need to hire locals for the
portions of the grant. 

Do you have a detailed document about Trainerspod that I could review?

My thought would be that this could be something that because it is
operational project could be a good foundation for seeking a grant for
the development of a wireless network along the rail line that Trainspod
operates on. Then networks could expand from the wireless node at each
stop.
>If we could encourage speakers on the topics you have recommended below
we can discuss how to develop the topic into >something of interest to
Africa. Anyone interested please contact me at asif.daya at trainerspod.com

Yes Regarding the presentation...I am wondering if we could have some
volunteers here to help us put together a presentation for the Webinar.
>Yes I understand it is not just about wireless (although as you know I
am interested in Wi-Max to push the country forward) >but also about
ICT.

I would be interested to hear feedback from some of the folks here
regardign WiMAX verses 802.11
>Yes, I understand the need for exchange of flow of information and the
problems faced at each end. That is why I choose >Elluminate - it can
accept very low bandwidth for communication. I had someone log-in at
28.8K modem once from Africa!!

Sounds good. Of possible relevance...I have been in communications with
Soft Foundry (http://www.softfoundry.com/home.php) regarding their low
bandwidth video conference technology.

Jeff
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From: asif.daya at trainerspod.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:35 AM
To: jeff at onevillagefoundation.org>, <wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org
Subject: RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential tool to spread wsfii
ideas to Africa and Developing World
Jeff:

The train begins in Kenya and moves towards the rural areas whereby
medical help is provided. I would like to add ICT help and hopefully
through the grant get broadband. I would need to hire locals for the
portions of the grant.

Yes, I understand the need for exchange of flow of information and the
problems faced at each end. That is why I choose Elluminate - it can
accept very low bandwidth for communication. I had someone log-in at
28.8K modem once from Africa!!

Yes I understand it is not just about wireless (although as you know I
am interested in Wi-Max to push the country forward) but also about ICT.

If we could encourage speakers on the topics you have recommended below
we can discuss how to develop the topic into something of interest to
Africa. Anyone interested please contact me at asif.daya at trainerspod.com

You can see some of the archives at:  <http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS>
http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS

Asif

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From: Jeff Buderer [mailto:jeff at onevillagefoundation.org] 
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:43 AM
To: asif.daya at trainerspod.com; wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org
Subject: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential tool to spread wsfii ideas to
Africa and Developing World
Asif,

Thanks for joining here. I had a chance to finally check out your
website. You are doing great work, but I would like to find out more
about the actual train that you have in Kenya and how that project
works. 

I would be reluctant to do the presentation on my own as I am not an
expert on wireless but I am sure there are many here which would be
great candidates to do the webinar.

You also seem to understand that it is not just about wireless but using
ICT best practices as a way to effectively bridge the digital divide and
scale and integrate existing development best practices and communicate
that effectively to the field.

some areas to consider (might be good to break the presentation into
three parts):
1. about wsfii community wireless networks and background
2. the technical sides of wireless and where things are going
3. telecenter model and wireless considering open digital village as one
example discussing the need for a holistic approach

Jeff
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From: asif.daya at trainerspod.com
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 2:50 PM
To: "'Discuss list on the World Summit on Free Information
Infrastructure'" <wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
Subject: RE: [wsfii-discuss] ... take the lead - Date selection

If you can get a group from Africa that has access to computers,
speakers
and a microphone - I have access to Elluminate whereby we can have a
discussion via a URL. It is a VLE and allows for PPTs, www, multimedia
etc.
People can chat one at a time and can use the Whiteboard. Let me know if
this interests you. I usually use it for 2 hours otherwise my bill gets
too
high for storing the media - yes, we can record it.

Asif

http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS
http://www.trainerspod.com/community
http://www.trainerspod.com/info

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From: wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org
[mailto:wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Ian Howard
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:28 AM
To: Discuss list on the World Summit on Free Information Infrastructure
Subject: Re: [wsfii-discuss] ... take the lead - Date selection

Vickram, Gregers,

Yes, I see your point, that thought had occurred to me too, but lets say
that we use the meetomatic results as a survey to see where there is a
the
most interest for a date, then there will need to be a decision made,
based
on that info and other variables. To a degree I trust that most people
will
self-select themselves (not respond if they are not intending to go). I
am
certainly willing to use another tool, but how about we use this one for
the
date survey?

Tomas,

Yes, you are quite right, our local people are not, so far, very
involved.
This is somewhat typical for many on-line projects, I'm afraid. Perhaps
because local people may not have a computer of their own, at their
home, or
where they work and thus they do not participate in such forums as
actively
and are not immersed in an online culture. 
This particular issue is one that the open source community has to
address
in Africa in general, how do we engage local participants, how can they
participate in these forums? Does the medium have to change? 
Sometimes I also find that the way we in low context societies dialogue
on
these lists might be awkward from people of higher context societies. 
Perhaps we just need to continue to encourage and invite the local
participants to be involved. Any other ideas?

Ian

marco wrote:
> hi
>
> i agree with both of you. how this is possible? i think because, you 
> are discussing a problem which has not yet evolved. i think we just 
> should give this tool a chance, as we should give it to the ghanaian 
> administrive group, as seen in the minutes. its surely a process and 
> the discussions we do are I in no way useless, but of great value, as 
> this is the kind of direct exchange the world has missed for the last 
> 100.000 years ;)
>
> grts, marco, berlin
>
> Vickram Crishna schrieb:
> 
>> --- Gregers Petersen wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>>> Vickram Crishna wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> To be fair I think only those who can actually go (with reasonable 
>>>> surety) to the meeting, or will
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> be
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> helping out with logistics and therefore are
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> impacted
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> by the date, should vote. In other words, only
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> direct
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> stakeholders should vote.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> I believe the position from which Ian argues is that everyone is a 
>>> direct stakeholder - everyone who (at what ever
>>> level) participates in
>>> WSFII activities is a stakeholder.
>>> 
>>> 
>> I think this is applicable and very much a WSFII value for other 
>> situations, but here we are discussing specific WSFII events - how 
>> will I add value (and not in fact detract from a fair assessment) by 
>> voting for some date for an event that I have no intention or ability

>> to attend or otherwise directly contribute.
>>
>> Take the Ghana meeting - if it should turn out that I am not going to

>> attend anyway, how will my vote be useful (I could mischievously vote

>> the meet should be in September or December, and thus skew the 
>> results, and impact other WSFII meets or even meets of other wireless

>> mesh groups - all uselessly)?
>> 
>> 
>>>> I don't know if this meeting scheduler can remove irrelevant votes.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Non of the votes are irrelevant!
>>> 
>>> 
>> Just as someone asked who will take charge of administrative tasks 
>> for a web site, to prevent spamming, vandalising or disreputable 
>> activities, so must there be some purpose in voting. Thus the 
>> electoral college for a meet ought to be made up of people who want 
>> to attend or help directly.
>>
>> 
>> 
>>> Are there any other choices
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> available for such processes online?
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> It will be up to the indiviudals who are active on the coord-list 
>>> (which is open to everybody) to look at the options, discuss them on

>>> the 'list'
>>> and come-up with a decision - and then get on with it.
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>> Perfectly right. But they should also be able to review who has 
>> voted, in order to reverse the effect of such spamming.
>>
>> Vickram
>>
>>
>> 
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