[wsfii-discuss] Re: taking lead and self organization

Fri Jun 29 21:08:24 UTC 2007

Does someone want to do a Webinar on how Wi_Fi and Wi-Max work and maybe on
ICT? It will give you exposure and the Webinar sits in our archives for
people to view later : -  <http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS>
http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS Thank You.

Asif

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[mailto:wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Buderer
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:21 AM
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Subject: RE: [wsfii-discuss] Re: taking lead and self organization

Thomas, Ian, All,

I suggest we consider all our schedules in planning this event and also the
level of commitment that we can realistically put into this as we consider
the former. I recall with my communications with Marco that he suggested
that January might be a good revised date for the Summit as we had
previously planned for Africa.

However a workshop and gathering is being planned for Ghana from August 1-10
and everyone in the wsfii network is welcome to attend.

Regarding the lengthy discussion about the organizational structure of
wsfii.I feel it is very much an intellectual discussion and I would like to
hear more about how any consensus decision for managing wsfii would be
applied and implemented. The reality is we need to balance the ideals of
wsfii with the practical need to get things done in an effective way that
validates the efforts of the volunteers. Otherwise wsfii will continue to be
a disappointment for many who get involved.

In terms of the noted lack of communications from Ghana: part of the
explanation is that at the current time Kafui and his team is very busy
organizing the WODiV program in Ghana and so they are not able to keep up
with the communications in this group much less respond to it.

Marco is in Ghana now and I anticipate that he will be able to facilitate
communications between the international wsfii discussion group and the
local networks.

Thomas great comments. I discuss with my team about making a report of WODiV
done by one of our interns that includes a survey of local people made
available to the public. The report considers the application of ICT4D and
many of the issues you talk about. Possibly we should consider how the wsfii
Africa wiki can be used to further develop the comments you make below.

Jeff

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[mailto:wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Maketa
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:30 AM
To: Discuss list on the World Summit on Free Information Infrastructure
Subject: Re: [wsfii-discuss] Re: taking lead and self organization

Sorry I did not know all the background history of the event, and I think it
will be good to put it somewhere in the website so new comers as me
understand the storyline(by the way where are we  for the refont of the
site, who is coordinating it? I proposed to translation but where will I
start? How will I access it?). 

I thorouglly agree on the integration of local people and application of
ICT4D, and it would be interesting for people on the ground to make a little
survey to have an idea on what are people needs in term of communication and
services that ICT could facilitate, communication with family, exchange of
certain information, training in certain domains not available in their
regions,...... 
Not answers like access to Internet(which means not much at all),
With these information it would help people to proposes "in self organized
way" programe filling needs where we could use tools like webinars, VOIP,
workshop on content management, network buildings,etc 
I think in that way the meeting  could have a really impact in the
community.  

I would also want to know what is the social environment of the site, is the
city deserved by electricty, are people keen to use computers, Are computers
available on the comunity? what is their  average income, which kind of
business the city have. 

People in Ghana must  participate on these discusion, we should see if we
can prepare skype conference (isnt it any open source soft that we can use
instead ?) , webinar as proposed by Ashish or other things.
But as the date is approaching (by the way what is going to be that
date???can we start interpreting results of the poll, and please people
participate to it??) 
it must be done as soon as posible so all the stakeholder "meet", discuss
agree on the vision on logistics, housing facilities (if there is any..),
...

This date setting is very important so people can know if they will be able
to participate or not and start planning. 
On 6/28/07, Ian Howard <ihoward at netdotworking.com> wrote:
*All,

Sorry, but I was kicked from the list due to a DNS error with my MX, so
I am just now catching up on some of the discussion.

I see some strong refutation to my suggestion to not forget about the
principles of self-organization. I don't want to get into some kind of
flame war on the subject, nor argue about the virtues and faults of open
source etc., my suggestion was that I think that that value
(self-organization) should not be lost in whatever way we decide to 
organize the event. As I indicated subsequently, there are perhaps ways
to arrive at a hybridized solution, but so long as the end result is
that we have something that encourages participation and allows for
contribution from all interested. So, to be clear, I am not opposed to a
coordinator, in fact I support the idea of having some key people more
actively involved, but I am opposed to someone taking outright
authority. Whomever is appointed should be willing and interested in 
seeking input from the stakeholders, local and international.

One note, regarding Thomas' posting, from my recollection the idea to
have this conference did not originate with the local group, unless
perhaps they had an event that we have merged with WSFII and in fact,
this event began as a self-organizing event. So, it would not be right
to say that we are taking it and making it a self-organizing event. But
to return to the topic of engaging this group, again, we need to really
find a way to engage with our local people so that they can participate
in these discussions. Perhaps we can figure out a way to do that?

What we are doing here is more important than just this meeting, we are
forging two interesting paths, one, an inclusive process of
self-organizing for the international ICT4D community and second, we are
figuring out new ways to engage local groups into this process. If we 
advance these concepts, than we have done something, IMHO, much more
important than the conference itself.

Ian

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I'm seeing a lot of people contributing to the discusion but so far the 
minutes of the ganaheein comittee is the first contribution I see from  the
ghanaien people on the ground.

I would really want to know what they think of the discusion of this mailing
list, are they understanding that, it's how I perceive it, "WE" want to 
somehow use this event and turning it to a  self organized event, perhaps
far from what they are planning and that they risk to lose control of it ?

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