[wsfii-discuss] [Fwd: Re: <nettime> Community WiFi in UK and Germany, a round-up]

Sun Oct 21 12:10:59 UTC 2007

From: "Patrice Riemens" <patrice at xs4all.nl>
Subject: [wsfii-discuss] [Fwd: Re: <nettime> Community WiFi in UK and Germany, a round-up]
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:34:39 +0200 (CEST)

> More from Morlock Elloi, but I am stopping here with fwding. Check nettime
> for more, if any (the discussion seems now to have narrowed on 'elitism')
> Cheers, p+2D!
> 
> ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
> Subject: Re: <nettime> Community WiFi in UK and Germany, a round-up
> From:    "Morlock Elloi" <morlockelloi at yahoo.com>
> Date:    Fri, October 19, 2007 20:14
> To:      "nettime-l" <nettime-l at kein.org>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> What is supposed here, to put it in precise terms, is that "whitening" of the
> access patterns, by end-users (from telco's POV) providing further access and
> blurring the traffic, can be a cure for last mile monopoly behaviour. But
> that
> can not work. End user is end user, legally, and whoever ends up using a
> particular consumer-grade link will run into the same barrier (non-neutral
> 'net, banned P2P etc.) Telcos were the primary driver in scaring wifi access
> point owners into securing them (and it worked ... these days I have to
> try 5-6
> APs while in some public space to find the unsecured one.)
> 
> If "community mesh" purchases T1 or T3 link directly to the backbone, then
> someone will have to pay for that $0.5-4K/month. However, displacing ISPs
> with
> community networks that buy from wholesalers can happen. It happened with
> electricity and gas. A possible solution is that citizenry provides
> infrastructure and maintenance, and city pays the backbone bill.
> 
> Gnutella operates on regular Internet AFAIK, so it doesn't change anything.
> Carriers can choke it. There are at this time dozens of products targeted to
> ISPs whose only function is to block P2P traffic. And they sell well.
> 
> [note to moderator: feel free to delete the stuff below.]
> 
> It seems that you are insinuating that there is something wrong with
> wanting to
> mingle with people of similar cognitive and other capabilities? Or should we
> all be politically correct and dumb down to the average amoeba level? Or are
> you peddling some cheap "all humans are equal" populism franchised from
> politicians? I'm a card-carrying elitist and proud of it. It is a tragedy
> that
> consummerism spilled over to Internet and made it braindead. These days it's
> more likely to encounter intelligence in the meatspace with all of its
> limitations (physical mobility etc.) than on the most advanced public access
> global communication network that ever existed. Is it the ultimate
> demonstration of limits of technology?
> 
> > I agree here mostly, but isn't community wi-fi, based on mesh networks,
> > a way to begin (2) by going around the phone companies? it seems to me
> > that with net neutrality in question, the phone companies are the real
> > threat, even bigger than google, since they're even more invisible but
> > we're all totally dependent on them. it seems to me that currently our
> > best chance at (2) is to have lots and lots of local community mesh
> > networks and then figure out a good way to route between them quickly.
> > for that, some of the best work done in projects like the gnutella
> > network, using emergent super-nodes and hash file searches might be
> > really useful.
> >
> > > I'm looking forward to the first year on
> > > this inter-net, where the amount of intelligence and interesting people
> > > will
> > >probably equal that of mid 90s, before unwashed retards discover it.
> > > Will it
> > > happen? Will the exclusivity, the knowledge that your packets are being
> > > switched in a special way, that there is no yahoo or google there, be
> > > impressive enough? I don't know. Maybe it's too late.
> >
> > now there's some elitist crap if i've ever heard it. not very morlock if
> > you ask me.
> 
> end
> (of original message)
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