[datacatalogs] datacatalogs.org

Fri Jun 15 14:17:03 UTC 2012

Hi,

Thanks Daniel for letting me know about the data-catalogs email -list, I 
subscribed now.

My question is that how the updating of information to the 
Datacatalogs.org actually happend? Does someone (who?) need to approve 
the changes?

I recognized that the wikilike interface is open for anyone to TRY TO DO 
changes even without signing in. I tried to update the text anonymously 
here: http://datacatalogs.org/catalog/edit/helsinki_finland

New value: Helsinki Region Infoshare -datacatalogue offers open data 
from the Greater Helsinki region in Finland...
Old value: Infoshare offers open data from Helsinki, Finland...

When I push "Save" it returns me to the Helsinki Region Infoshare page 
with OLD text. In the history tab there is the revision to my change: 
http://datacatalogs.org/revision/20379991-7a4c-483b-9f66-8937707dbd89 if 
I click the timestamp 
http://datacatalogs.org/catalog/helsinki_finland%402012-06-15T13%3A26%3A31.743652 
I can see my change, but it is not visible

This is highly strange... if there is some sort of approval process or 
if the update for some other reason takes time it should be told to the 
users in the interface.

Also I would like to add new catalogs, but it seems that my user rights 
are not high enough. When I go to http://datacatalogs.org/catalog/new 
I'm asked to sign in (even if I am already signed in), after signing in 
it leads to my home view, but no links to any add new catalogue place 
are there. If you trust me enough, could you increase my user rights ( 
http://datacatalogs.org/user/apoikola ) ?

BR, Antti Poikola

On 15.6.2012 15:15, Daniel Dietrich wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> thanks for bringing this important discussion up again. I remember we talked about including the great features (map, facetted browsing, etc) from CTIC catalogue to datacatalogs.org a wile ago. However I do not remember the exact outcome or any reason why we never actually started working on this.
>
> @Martin and others, would you be up for a quick Skype session on this to explore what needs to be done to harmonize the two initiatives and add important features to datacatalogs.org ? If so, please suggest a time&  date. My Skype ID is ddie22.
>
> For any issues like the ones with the tags, etc I strongly recommend discussing them on data-catalogs at lists.okfn.org now in CC.
>
> All best
> Daniel
>
>
> On 14 Jun 2012, at 13:30, Antti Jogi Poikola wrote:
>
>> Hi Martin and others,
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification, I found it very convenient that from the CTIC catalogue it was easy to download the whole data in a tab-separated list, my API -skills are not good enough that I could get the whole data out from the datacatalogs.org (I managed to do this http://datacatalogs.org/api/rest/dataset , but it is not very informative).
>>
>> Could these two initiatives be maybe more tightly co-operating? It seems that the update pace is faster for datacatalogs.org and because of the clear domain it seems more official to me. The citic catalog on the other hand has in my opinion better search interface and other nice features, like the submission form.
>>
>> I found some mistakes regarding Finland and as a contributor I'm wondering what is the ONE place where I should give the updated information?
>>
>> BR: Antti "Jogi" Poikola
>>
>> PS: earlier Josema and I tried modifying the tags in the datacatalogs.org with no success... I noted that any other changes that I make to the wiki-like interface are not persistent either. Is there some sort of approval mechanism or user rights thing? For example the link in tirol catalogue is missing http:// --
>> http://datacatalogs.org/catalog/tirol-data
>>
>> On 14 June 2012 14:12, Martin Alvarez<martin.alvarez at fundacionctic.org>  wrote:
>> Hi Antti,
>>
>> CTIC launched (with Josema onboard) this faceted browser a couple years ago. All the entries of this catalog have been submitted by the community (or people related to the initiative itself) through the form you mentioned.
>>
>> This is not only a browser. All the information (description, license, homepage, TimBL stars, location, etc) is stored in a triplestore, and it can be queried using a SPARQL endpoint. Associated to each entry, there is important information about the coverage of the catalog: place name, coordinates, administrative level (country, region, city, supranational), and parent country (if available).
>>
>> This application is easy to implement. We proposed it as a visualization for datacatalogs.org. The issue I foresee is the lack of geographic information to set the markers on the map.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On 14/06/2012, at 12:08, Antti Jogi Poikola<antti.poikola at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Josema, Daniel and others,
>>>
>>> I add to this discussion the opendata at fundacionctic.org (I don't know who will reply), CTIC has nice faceted browser with 158 catalogs and simple "submit new" -form.
>>>
>>> http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/faceted/
>>>
>>> I discovered this when I started to wonder what the mysterious tag ctic means in the  http://datacatalogs.org/dataset?tags=ctic .. it seems that CTIC has used 111 (out of 241) datacatalogue.org entries and found some new ones and ended up to 158 catalogues.
>>>
>>> BR, Antti "Jogi" Poikola
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14 June 2012 12:58, Josema Alonso<me at josema.net>  wrote:
>>> Hi Antti,
>>>
>>> I believe what Daniel said is right. What I noticed on datacatalogs is that there are several that are not properly tagged, so if you filter by "level.local" you'll still be missing several city level catalogs in there. I tried to edit a few of them to add that tag, seemed to work, but they are not showing up when I filter again.
>>>
>>> Daniel, do you know if there's any sort of moderation/approval process behind the scenes?
>>>
>>> Josema.
>>>
>>>
>>> El 14/06/2012, a las 11:35, Daniel Dietrich escribió:
>>>> Hi Antti,
>>>>
>>>> the GDoc is outdated. The page http://opengovernmentdata.org/data/catalogues/ is no longer linked from the navigation either. The relevant page (linked from navigation) is:
>>>>
>>>> http://opengovernmentdata.org/data/
>>>>
>>>> this refers to http://datacatalogs.org/ which is the most update version we have - I think.
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14 Jun 2012, at 11:18, Antti Jogi Poikola wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> you are all listed as curators of the datacatalogs.org -site. I wonder how comprehensive the listing is at the moment and are there many new catalogues missing from the listings?
>>>>>
>>>>> I also approached with the same question to the contributors to the Google Doc data catalogue listing [2] which is publicly visible at the Opengovernmentdata.org -site [3].
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently I am drafting a EPSI platform topic -report [4] about the open data in the cities and therefore the city- and regional data catalogues are in my interest right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Antti Poikola (Finland)
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://datacatalogs.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> [2] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ams8fpz2_77XdG8tZ2ZrUGoybnlpU0NGTjhiUEpQdVE&authkey=CLDY7sYM&authkey=CLDY7sYM#gid=0
>>>>> [3] http://opengovernmentdata.org/data/catalogues/
>>>>>
>>>>> [4] http://epsiplatform.eu/topicreports
>>>