[ECODP-dev] ODP - Review of website by DGT - Modus operandi proposal
CAMPBELL Glen (OP)
Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu
Tue Sep 3 15:37:55 UTC 2013
Hi Darwin,
I must confess that I'm having enough problems filling up the master Excel sheet. It is really time consuming in fact. But for Transifex, I think what I'll do tomorrow is just go through the Word documents I'm getting back and look at the comments on the data tab.
Could I still be given a time of day for Transifex? Would even Thursday noon be possible?
Could I also be given a time of day for Friday for Drupal?
(I must say that this dual system we have for Transifex/Drupal is a very time-consuming and complicated system when you multiply it by 24 languages.).
Have a nice sunny evening,
Glen
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Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 4:50 PM
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Subject: Re: ODP - Review of website by DGT - Modus operandi proposal
Hi Glen.
Thanks for the update. Please let us know all the languages are available and we will import them into the site. Just to check timings - You're aiming to be finish this tomorrow so we can import on Thursday?
Thanks for all your work on this.
Darwin
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On 3 September 2013 14:12, CAMPBELL Glen (OP) <Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu<mailto:Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu>> wrote:
Darwin, I am going to try my best to get as many of the translations in Transifex by 4 September, but I think for a couple of languages it might not be possible. Could we say 19:00 CET?
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Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 5:16 PM
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Subject: Re: ODP - Review of website by DGT - Modus operandi proposal
Hi All,
In principle the plan proposed by Olivier is fine with us. Some notes
- I'm not sure why the translators will need to access the publishers area as we're not translating the publisher interface? (If this is needed 10F will need to create the logins as they manage the ODP.tenforce.com<http://ODP.tenforce.com> test site)
- We were not expecting any further translations for release 09.00 so some extra work will be needed for us to set up a project in Transifex for release 09.00 and re-export the translations if this is needed
- We are due to deliver the site for testing by the PO on 6th September - If we don't have the translations by 4th September at the latest this will delay this and this will then push back the other dates agreed
Best,
Darwin
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On 23 August 2013 14:43, CAMPBELL Glen (OP) <Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu<mailto:Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu>> wrote:
Hi there,
It's almost the weekend, albeit a rainier one than we might have liked.
Do you agree to Olivier's proposal?
I need to know what site our translation service needs to look at. It is already looking like they won't be able to do it for 30 August. Can we think about what later deadline is feasible for your work downstream? Naturally, this is more something for my other colleagues to decide.
I need to allow at least 5 working days for their work schedule (this doesn't mean it takes them 5 days of course to do; some languages will come in quicker than others). Then, depending upon the volume I need 1 or 2 days to compile the corrections in user-friendly format, as requested by Dimitrios. So already I'm seeing a date when I can deliver to you of around 4 September.
Thank you in advance,
Glen
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From: ISOARD Olivier (OP)
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:10 PM
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Subject: ODP - Review of website by DGT - Modus operandi proposal
Importance: High
Bert, Darwin, Dimitrios,
After a tchat with Glen, the best approach taking into account the current roadmap for the new releases is the following:
> Please keep http://odp.tenforce.com as it is for the moment (release 00.09.01/02)
> We will ask immediately DGT translators to review this version by accessing directly your env (as our one is not yet released on prod – not visible from external DGs). DGT will provide us with their comments by the end of the month (ideally 30/08).
> Depending on DGT's feedback on 00.09.01/02, we will consider if a new intermediate hotfix will be required for fixing translations before 01.00.00. If not, the comments will be communicated to you anyway for integration into 01.00.00.
> Once this exercise (review of 00.09.xx on odp.tenforce) will be over, env http://odp.tenforce.com will be again available for deploying an early version of 01.00.00 as discussed today with Bert. This will be then the reference env for translators responsible for new screens linked to ODP 1.0.
For DGT translators to access ODP data provider's corner, we need 6 testing accounts on http://odp.tenforce.com. Would you please create them and provide us with credentials?
Thanks in advance to confirm you agreement on this proposal, also the info for the 6 data publisher accounts.
Best regards,
Olivier ISOARD
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From: Darwin Peltan [mailto:darwin.peltan at okfn.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:15 PM
To: Dimitrios Mexis
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Subject: Re: Review of website
Hi Dimitrios and Jurgen,
As I understand it from speaking to Glen, the translators need to review the content of release 09.02 in situ (both CKAN and Drupal sections).
Will http://odp.tenforce.com continue to be available with release 09.02 on it for the next couple of weeks or will you be starting to use it for testing release 01.00? If not is there another instance that the translators can use for reviewing the content?
Best,
Darwin
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On 22 August 2013 11:03, Dimitrios Mexis <dimitrios.mexis at tenforce.com<mailto:dimitrios.mexis at tenforce.com>> wrote:
Hello Glen,
what do you mean you want url(s) ? That is not clear to me.
In principle, if you go to http://odp.tenforce.com you can navigate to "Home/Applications/Linked Data/About" tabs and check there all the relevant texts in the latest form.
[ Application Data, please skip it due to styling reasons ]
On the other hand if that is not what you seek for, can you give details what you want ?
Regards
Dimitrios
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:21 AM, CAMPBELL Glen (OP) <Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu<mailto:Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu>> wrote:
Thanks very much Dimitrios.
Can I have the url(s) that I should give to our translation service for release 0.9?
Thanks in advance,
Glen
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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:12 AM
To: CAMPBELL Glen (OP)
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Subject: Re: Review of website
Glen Good morning,
The more detailed something the better for the outcome.
First I send you to have a view on the process of translation in a document attached to this mail. Just for an overview.
In the last time you send us the document Translations_to_send_10F.xls
For me it seemed good the way the information was presented. We could track down various elements. And off course if we have in general some conflict either from our side or yours, we can track down even more with a little mailing.
Anyway, based on this file, it was relatevely easy.
One thing that was not easy with this file, is the fact that it does not keep the original order of Drupal as the translations are shown. But that is trivial in the end.
Regards
Dimitrios
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:38 PM, CAMPBELL Glen (OP) <Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu<mailto:Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu>> wrote:
Thanks Darwin. I was frightened you might say that. I have a vague memory of Transifex terms in English, but the task will be harder to find things in the translated language (!) but I'll stay positive and hope there aren't many problems. I don’t think there should be.
Dimitrios, Bert, can you say anything? Would you happy to receive the document I sent from DGT which gives the url and the items needing to be changed from X to Y?
Please let me know as I need to formulate my request to out translation service asap.
By the way, are you still expecting feedback and new texts for 30 August or can that date be shifted back at all?
Thanks again
Glen
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From: Darwin Peltan [mailto:darwin.peltan at okfn.org<mailto:darwin.peltan at okfn.org>]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:28 PM
To: CAMPBELL Glen (OP)
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Subject: Re: Review of website
Hi Glen,
Thanks for your email. First of all it would be good to understand the purpose of this review - I presume this is a review of the content as it stands in release 09.00 so that these changes can be incorporated into release 01.00?
I can only speak for what's needed for the CKAN sections of the site - For these we import the translations directly from Transifex into the site. Therefore we do need either you or the translators to make the edits into Transifex please. Transifex has a very capable search facility so it should be quite easy to find the term that needs to be edited.
Assuming that you want these changes to go live with release 01.00 then the changes should be made within the new resource file that has been created for release 01.00 which is here
https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/ckan-eu-odp/resource/EUODP-1/
This file also includes the new terms for release 01.00 which the translators should also be working on now.
I'm just heading into a meeting so will be unavailable until 14:00 BST but please just let me know if you have any questions or would like to discuss at all.
Best,
Darwin
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On 21 August 2013 12:00, CAMPBELL Glen (OP) <Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu<mailto:Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu>> wrote:
Hi all,
If possible, I would be very grateful if I could have your feedback today so that I can plan for the review to be made in time for Friday 30 August.
Thanks in advance,
Glen
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From: CAMPBELL Glen (OP)
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:58 PM
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Cc: HOHN Norbert (OP); ZAJAC Agnieszka (OP)
Subject: FW: Review of website
Dear all,
For the review of the ODP website, we need to agree exactly how you want the corrections to be sent to you. The format proposed by our translation service is that I prepare a document along the lines of the enclosed document indicating each url (tab or other) and that the translators will insert their corrections as shown.
Now I realise that the BIG problem will be then for me or you to locate the string that they indicate and then correct it via Drupal or Transifex, especially if they don't indicate the string as it appears in Transifex for example. It may be in fact that it will be too painful to locate the string in Transifex, which makes me wonder whether we can't find a more resource-friendly way of doing this.
Our translation service can check the website but I cannot ask them to go back into Transifex and correct the term.
Can I have your thoughts about this from the perspectives of Drupal and Transifex? Is producing a list of all corrections the best for Drupal? Do the strings in Transifex really need to be located and corrected or could we live with the corrections being made further downstream (manually on the website somehow?), which I guess would cause problems for subsequent uploads.
Thanks very much in advance, and please think about my sanity in all of this,
Glen
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From: LOVSTROM Monica (DGT) [mailto:Monica.LOVSTROM at ec.europa.eu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:16 PM
To: CAMPBELL Glen (OP)
Subject: FW: Review of website
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From: LOVSTROM Monica (DGT)
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 1:29 PM
To: CAMPBELL Glen (OP); PORKOLA Paivi (DGT); NORSGAARD Lene (DGT)
Cc: HOHN Norbert (OP); ZAJAC Agnieszka (OP); ISOARD Olivier (OP); DIMITROVA Vladislava (DGT)
Subject: RE: Review of website
Dear Glen,
For this web site check, we don't need a Poetry request – it's actually not possible to introduce one – but we would need clear instructions as to what exactly to check.
Since you say "most of the test site" needs to be checked, I propose this workflow: you prepare a table (Word or Excel) along the lines of the enclosed example, where you add the link to every page that need to be checked. The translators will then enter their comments, if any (and the code of the language that they're checking).
<< File: Website check_FR_Georgieva.doc >>
It will be difficult to reach me on the phone today and tomorrow (and I'm off tomorrow afternoon), so we need to keep this discussion via e-mail.
Vladislava, the lead translator, is in copy, and you can also contact her if you have questions.
Have a good afternoon!
Monica
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From: CAMPBELL Glen (OP) [mailto:Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:28 AM
To: LOVSTROM Monica (DGT); PORKOLA Paivi (DGT); NORSGAARD Lene (DGT)
Cc: HOHN Norbert (OP); ZAJAC Agnieszka (OP); ISOARD Olivier (OP)
Subject: Review of website
Dear colleague,
Thanks again for all your help for delivering the translations into Transifex directly. We really are pleased.
I am coming back to you to pick up again on our verbal/email request to have the site linguistically checked by DGT colleagues.
I will give more precise information on this in the next hour. What I can say is that the content you translated is now on this test site.
We would need most of the test site checked by June 11, 5pm. Then I would have time to work in the evening and on Wednesday (regardless of the strike; I'll have to come in) to commit to deadline with our partners.
I can try to count the material for you, but I reckon that it is not more than about 6 pages of A4 for linguistic and contextual checking.
How should we go about this request in Poetry?
Glen
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