[MyData & Open Data] [Open-education] The Quantified Student

Sally Deffor sally.deffor at okfn.org
Fri Sep 19 09:36:20 UTC 2014 

Hi Tore,
Thanks for sharing your very informative slides! I'm happy to also hear
about the LA workshop in Belgrade. P2PU had a session last month, and there
was quite a lot of interest and engaging thoughts about how to balance
effective and analysis within the constraints of ethics and privacy
concerns, though I must admit we were no closer to answering the relevant
question you pose above! (http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2661641), so
do share the thoughts coming from this workshop.

Best,
Sally

On 19 September 2014 10:15, Tore Hoel <Tore.Hoel at hioa.no> wrote:

>  Hi all,
>
>  This is a good discussion that should be carried forward (thanks Marieke
> - restart it again when it dies out).
>
>  The laceproject.eu had a workshop this week in Graz - and I introduced
> the theme of Privacy and LA by looking at how we understand Privacy -
> suggesting a contextual framing inspired by the work of Helen Nissenbaum.
> You find my slides at
> http://www.slideshare.net/toreh/privacy-la-laceworkshopgrazsep2014
>
>  We will also organise a workshop on Ethical questions and dilemmas of
> Learning Analytics in Belgrade next week (don’t expect a huge turn out, but
> will publish slides on my Slideshare channel).
>
>  I support Terry’s points on being careful to reduce learning to
> everything measured. However, that does not solve the privacy problem we
> have - a problem we have not yet really got our heads around, e.g., if
> privacy is all about contexts - how do we scale LA?
>
>  Cheers
>
>
>  -Tore
>
>  -----
> Tore Hoel
> Twitter: @tore
>
>
>   On 18 Sep 2014, at 20:35, Terry Loane <terryloane at aol.com> wrote:
>
>  The key issue here for me is not one of data confidentiality (although
> that is surely important). No, what really concerns me is the fact that the
> data-mongers seem to believe that the more data we have about learners the
> better we will understand their learning. But this is simply not true.
> Human learning is a complex phenomenon (using the word 'complex' in its
> correct scientific sense), and there has been increasing awareness among
> life scientists for at least 70 years that one can neither understand nor
> predict the behaviour of complex phenomena by taking measurements. Being
> obsessed with measurement and data is a manifestation of what has been
> called the 'reductionist myth'.
>
> In the infographic at
> http://www.marketplace.org/content/lc-privacy-infographic we read the
> following:
>
> *"The idea behind data-driven education is that greater measurement will
> lead to better grades, test scores and graduation rates.*"
>
> But education should surely be about far more than better grades and test
> scores. There is no point at all in a 'grade' unless what is being graded
> is worthwhile, and the obsessive focus on grades, scores, measurement and
> data stops teachers, parents and students from asking what constitutes
> 'worthwhile' in education. What activities are worth doing and why? These
> are questions that desperately need addressing when there is evidence of
> the harm done to mental capacity and mental health by chronic stress during
> adolescence (
> http://medicine.buffalo.edu/news_and_events/news.host.html/content/shared/smbs/news/2012/03/yan-adolescents-chronic-stress-126.detail.html
> ).
>
> I believe that we see around us the evidence that a reductionist
> data-driven approach to educational performance  leads to a reductionist
> hollowed-out (and stressful) educational experience. Do other agree that as
> educators we ought to spend more time focusing on our students as people
> and less time focusing on our spreadsheets.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Terry Loane
>
>
>
> On 18/09/2014 18:01, Sander van der Waal wrote:
>
>  (Looping the Open Education group in again)
>
>  On 18 September 2014 18:56, Mark Lizar <mark.lizar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Sander,
>>
>>  This is really useful. There is new California Law in the works (I
>> think) for the end of the month to address this issue.  Parents really
>> upset about domestic issues, behaviour problems, learning difficulties etc
>> being sold and shared beyond the performative educational context.   Its a
>> big topic at MIT (where I am today) and here is an article about it.
>>
>>  http://tech.mit.edu/V134/N38/edprivacy.html
>>
>
>  Thanks Mark that's a really interesting article - good to see this issue
> being addressed.
>
>  Sander
>
>
>>
>>  - Mark
>>   On 18 Sep 2014, at 11:08, Sander van der Waal <
>> sander.vanderwaal at okfn.org> wrote:
>>
>>    Sorry for cross-posting but I think this may be interesting to some
>> of you on this list too:
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Marieke Guy <marieke.guy at okfn.org>
>> Date: 18 September 2014 17:03
>> Subject: [Open-education] The Quantified Student
>> To: open-education at lists.okfn.org
>>
>>
>> Some of you might be interested in this...
>>
>> Marketplace is running a series on student data "how it’s gathered, how
>> it’s used, and, most important, how it is protected".
>>
>>    -
>>    http://www.marketplace.org/topics/world/navigating-data-driven-education
>>    -
>>    http://www.marketplace.org/topics/education/learningcurve/day-life-data-mined-kid
>>    -
>>    http://www.marketplace.org/topics/education/learningcurve/how-student-data-improves-lunch-line
>>    - http://www.marketplace.org/content/lc-privacy-infographic -
>>    infographic on quantified student
>>    -
>>    http://www.marketplace.org/topics/education/learningcurve/youre-invited-come-chat-about-studentdata
>>
>> Amazing claim from Learning company Knewton: “We have five orders of
>> magnitude more data about you than Google has,”  “We literally have more
>> data about our students than any company has about anybody else about
>> anything, and it’s not even close.”
>>
>> And quite a lot of this data is being sold: "A study released last year
>> (in the US) by Fordham Law professor Joel Reidenberg found that very few
>> school districts explicitly restrict the sale or marketing of student
>> information in contracts with service providers."
>>
>> They are also hosting a twitter chat tonight - We’re hosting a Twitter
>> chat - tonight from 5-6 p.m. PST. The hashtag is #studentdata.
>>
>> Marieke
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