[od-discuss] OD v2 accepts Excel as OpenData?!???

Wed Oct 8 19:08:18 UTC 2014

Andrew,

I agree that the issue is relevant. However, if I can in actual practice
open the Excel file in LibreOffice and do everything I need to do, then I
do actually have all the freedoms I need, essentially, even if the
situation is not ideal. So, *if* data is held in a format I actually cannot
use in practice, then it frustrates my freedoms. Hence, the wording in OD
v2 does do the minimum to ensure that openness is functional.

Anyway, "open access" is not the pinnacle issue. Access alone doesn't imply
freedoms of use, modification, and sharing. So the other values are *not*
just in service of "open access".

Cheers

--
Aaron Wolf
wolftune.com

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Andrew Rens <andrewrens at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On 10/7/2014 9:42 AM, Rufus Pollock wrote:
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>>> - Is the push for open (document) standards related to but separate from
>>> the open definition?
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> On 7 October 2014 23:49, Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com> wrote:
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>>  I think there's three distinct items here
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>> - Open licenses
>> - Open formats
>> - Open access
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> I agree that these are conceptually distinct items but they are causally
> related, the objective is open access (writ large) and the means are open
> licences and open formats.
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> I understand the definition to stipulate that the necessary means to
> ensure open access are (1) open licences and (2) open formats or the
> functional equivalent of open formats.
> If either is not present then the work is not open.
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>> Given that the summation, conformant license page, and license approval
>> process all are focused on the license, not the work, it seems odd to be
>> worried about file formats at all.
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> I don't agree, both legal and technical openess are required for people to
> be able to share, use etc a work. This is the logic that makes open source
> software require that the source be open. For some of us 'code is law'.
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