[od-discuss] Open Definition 2.1 vote

Herb Lainchbury herb.lainchbury at gmail.com
Wed Aug 26 20:21:31 UTC 2015


I couldn't find one either.  I have started a new one here
<https://discuss.okfn.org/t/definition-revisions-approval-process/1030>.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Aaron Wolf <wolftune at riseup.net> wrote:

> Thanks. I can't find it right now in the archives, but I distinctly
> remember you proposing and everyone agreeing about a process by which we
> do not just jump to final vote internally on OD like this. In the
> earlier discussion, you said something specific (distinct from the
> approval of licenses process) about the stages we would go through, and
> everyone (I remember distinctly Mike and myself) agreeing that your
> updated proposal for the process was good and addressed the concerns I
> had… Sorry I'm not finding the exact thread…
>
> On 08/26/2015 01:04 PM, Herb Lainchbury wrote:
> > I am attempting to follow the process we have documented on the process
> > page <http://opendefinition.org/licenses/process/>.
> >
> > It's actually for license approvals but at the bottom of the page we say
> > we'll use the same process for Open Definition version approvals as
> > well.  This seemed good enough at the time but using it now, I see that
> > we could benefit by having the Open Definition version approval process
> > documented separately, including a "release candidate" stage as you
> > suggest.  Unlike licenses, we are actually the authors of this document
> > as well as the approvers.
> >
> > I'll start a new thread (in the forum) to discuss formalizing and
> > documenting the Open Definition version approval process.
> >
> > Thank you for the vote.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Aaron Wolf <wolftune at riseup.net
> > <mailto:wolftune at riseup.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     Actually, I thought we already agreed to do a "release candidate"
> style
> >     process including a formal "this is the release candidate" post to
> the
> >     wider community. I made a big stink about this with 2.0, and I recall
> >     decisions being made to address this.
> >
> >     I'm surprised to hear you say that this vote is *actually* a "this is
> >     the final 2.1" vote. I strongly dislike the idea that there is not a
> >     time period with notifications between a *potential* final and the
> vote
> >     to accept it as final.
> >
> >     In other words, there was not a post that said "everyone, this
> version
> >     is proposed to go to a vote next week, after we present it to the
> main
> >     list". I don't believe that the general community was notified to
> read
> >     this *precise* version and given time to provide feedback or get
> >     involved prior to your call for a vote.
> >
> >     I vote -1. I am opposed to immediately making this the final 2.1.
> >
> >     Respectfully,
> >     Aaron
> >
> >     On 08/26/2015 09:50 AM, Herb Lainchbury wrote:
> >     > Thank you for your comments Aaron.
> >     >
> >     > I reviewed your PR, and recognize the grammar issue you've
> identified
> >     > here but think that your suggested fix may in fact change the
> meaning,
> >     > so I'm still thinking about what to do about it.
> >     >
> >     > For your concern about the use of the article "a" - it seems to me
> >     that
> >     > the current version is clear but could be improved.  I'm fine with
> >     > deferring that to a future release.
> >     >
> >     > I noticed your suggestion to remove the word "individual" but since
> >     > there was no associated PR I left it as is.  I don't currently see
> the
> >     > importance of that removal so didn't do the PR myself.  I could
> have
> >     > commented...  my apologies for not doing so.
> >     >
> >     > 2.1.3 suggestion - great, let's do that in a future release
> >     >
> >     > 2.1.4 suggestion - again, good suggestion for a future release.
> >     >
> >     > Your suggestion to change the OD approval process is well taken.
> The
> >     > (undocumented) process I am following right now included a
> >     notification
> >     > to the main list that we are in the final stages.  Anyone who
> wants to
> >     > comment can do so on this list (which some have done).  I could
> have
> >     > perhaps done another notification to the main list; however, it
> hasn't
> >     > been that long since the last notification so I haven't done that.
> >     >
> >     > I like the idea of introducing a "release candidate" phase.  I
> didn't
> >     > think of it for this round and since we now in a voting state it
> >     doesn't
> >     > make sense to me to do it now.
> >     >
> >     > I am happy for us to accept typo fixes a this point, but am going
> to
> >     > resist any other changes that have any chance of changing the
> meaning
> >     > during the voting process.
> >     >
> >     > If that means the current vote for approval fails, then that's an
> >     > indication that the current final draft is not ready, and should
> not
> >     > pass.  I'm fine with that if that's the outcome.
> >     >
> >     > I am going to resist anything that I think will compromise the
> voting
> >     > process (like accepting content changes mid-vote).
> >     >
> >     > I do appreciate your valuable input.
> >     >
> >     > Herb
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Aaron Wolf <wolftune at riseup.net
> >     <mailto:wolftune at riseup.net>
> >     > <mailto:wolftune at riseup.net <mailto:wolftune at riseup.net>>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     I'm almost + 1 but I want a couple clarifications, think maybe
> we
> >     >     should really fix these last things. Basically, I would
> *greatly*
> >     >     prefer a stage in which we say "vote on this as
> release-candidate"
> >     >     or something where we are saying no more content changes
> >     really, but
> >     >     we'll still fix up grammatical issues and minor items etc. — I
> >     want
> >     >     us to all agree that the content is fine without that same
> >     statement
> >     >     making the precise text absolutely final.
> >     >
> >     >     A final review brought up some questions that I want clarified
> or
> >     >     fixed before I'll be +1 and I hope others will appreciate my
> >     >     concerns enough to delay their support with me to address these
> >     >     final items.
> >     >
> >     >     I submitted a new PR just now for a grammar fix (not a content
> >     change).
> >     >
> >     >     I somehow missed that in
> >     >
> >
> https://github.com/okfn/opendefinition/commit/22a12d029a22f09310b7e38b120c712fcc6f19b1#diff-43c1b84a0e962cadb0bc57de43de4d23
> >     >     we added to 2.0:
> >     >
> >     >     "A **license** *should* be compatible with other open
> licenses."
> >     >
> >     >     The use of the article "a" here in "a license" strikes me as
> >     *very* odd.
> >     >
> >     >     Side note: I'm mildly disappointed that my question about
> removing
> >     >     "individual" from the term "individual elements" in 1.3 didn't
> get
> >     >     noticed or get any replies or anything.
> >     >
> >     >     In 2.1.3, "such derivatives under the same terms of the
> original
> >     >     licensed work" should that not be "such derivatives under the
> same
> >     >     terms as the original licensed work" (of -> as) ?
> >     >
> >     >     In 2.1.4 "All parties who receive any distribution of any part
> >     of a
> >     >     work within the terms of the original license /should/ have
> >     the same
> >     >     rights as those that are granted in conjunction with the
> >     original work."
> >     >
> >     >     Why is this a should?? For that matter, this whole second
> sentence
> >     >     seems extraneous and picky given the existence of 2.1.7
> >     >
> >     >     Finally, I hope, as discussed in the issues around v2 that a
> >     >     supportive vote from the OD list on a final version means
> >     >     specifically that we present it as a "release candidate" to the
> >     >     larger OK community and absolutely *not* as a finalized
> >     set-in-stone
> >     >     decision. I don't want us to accept any final wording without
> >     having
> >     >     done the work of getting the larger community to have a chance
> to
> >     >     read the proposed release candidate.
> >     >
> >     >     Cheers,
> >     >     Aaron
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >     On 08/26/2015 08:43 AM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
> >     >     > +1
> >     >     >
> >     >     > And many thanks to Herb and other colleagues for seeing this
> >     through. I
> >     >     > like the wording of 1.3 and 1.4 and think they read easily
> >     and clearly.
> >     >     >
> >     >     > I know how much effort it is to have to return again and
> >     again under the
> >     >     > final version works.
> >     >     >
> >     >     > The Open Definition and its process is one of the glories of
> >     the OKF
> >     >     > (aka OK). It's a model for something that is critically
> >     useful, boring
> >     >     > for 99% of people, but really important. Every time I hear
> >     "openwashed"
> >     >     > permissions (as in "Open Access") I quote the OD at them.
> >     >     >
> >     >     > It has magic powers.
> >     >     >
> >     >     > P.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Herb Lainchbury
> >     >     > <herb.lainchbury at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:herb.lainchbury at gmail.com> <mailto:herb.lainchbury at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:herb.lainchbury at gmail.com>>
> >     >     <mailto:herb.lainchbury at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:herb.lainchbury at gmail.com>
> >     >     <mailto:herb.lainchbury at gmail.com <mailto:
> herb.lainchbury at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     It is time to vote.  We now have a final version 2.1 of
> the Open
> >     >     >     Definition.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     Much appreciation to all who participated in the various
> discussions
> >     >     >     and meetings over the past several months.  Thank you!
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     The current final draft can be found here:
> >     >     >
> https://github.com/okfn/opendefinition/blob/gh-pages/source/open-definition-2.1-dev.markdown
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     At this time I am asking all advisory council members to
> vote to
> >     >     >     approve the current v2.1 dev for release and general use.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     Please indicate your approval of this current final
> draft to become
> >     >     >     the new standard by replying to the list with a +1.
> Please indicate
> >     >     >     your dissent replying to the list with a -1.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     Votes will be accepted for one week until end of day
> Wednesday
> >     >     >     September 2, 2015.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     Thank you,
> >     >     >     Herb Lainchbury
> >     >     >     Chair, Open Definition Advisory Council
> >     >     >
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