[od-discuss] OD Summay
Aaron Wolf
wolftune at riseup.net
Mon Sep 14 15:04:17 UTC 2015
I think "Open Data" is a more common term than "Open Content". I doubt
anyone searches for plain "Open Content".
If we are to have a separate definition of "Open Data" specifically,
separate from the main OD, then we could add a reference that links to that.
I *would* support a separate sentence (not cluttering the main intro to
the OD) that says something like, "Open Knowledge includes a wide range
of areas including Open Data, Open Art, Open Journalism, Open Research,
Open Education, and more."
On 09/14/2015 07:55 AM, Rufus Pollock wrote:
> I think this actually matters quite a bit.
>
> Most people out there think of "open content" or "open data" - they
> don't abstract to a generic term like open knowledge. Whilst we want to
> keep knowledge central, at least on the front page and in page titles
> (valuable for e.g. SEO) this is really useful. We want people when
> googling "open data" to find this site pretty quickly as it provides the
> authoritative definition of what open data is.
>
> Rufus
>
> On 14 September 2015 at 16:50, Aaron Wolf <wolftune at riseup.net
> <mailto:wolftune at riseup.net>> wrote:
>
> I weakly oppose the listing of what sort of knowledge we mean. As soon
> as you start listing examples, it can lead to the different classes of
> included in the list or not, and then the list grows into this attempt
> to include every variation.
>
> I think preferable to stick to an undefined generic term. "Knowledge"
> works here and we accept that it covers all sorts of areas. Data *is* a
> form of *content*, and actually, I very weakly sympathize with Stallman
> in disliking the very term "content" see
> https://gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content
>
> Cheers,
> Aaron
>
> On 09/14/2015 02:57 AM, Rufus Pollock wrote:
> > I do think you may want to mention "data" and "content" explicitly
> > somewhere in there e.g.
> >
> > "Knowledge, data and content are ... " or somesuch.
> >
> > Rufus
> >
> > On 11 September 2015 at 15:40, Herb Lainchbury
> > <herb at dynamic-solutions.com <mailto:herb at dynamic-solutions.com>
> <mailto:herb at dynamic-solutions.com
> <mailto:herb at dynamic-solutions.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > With the approval of 2.1 I think we can go ahead and align the
> > various summaries now to :
> >
> > "Knowledge is open if anyone is free to access, use, modify, and
> > share it — subject, at most, to measures that preserve provenance
> > and openness."
> >
> > I am happy to make the changes to the main opendefinition.org <http://opendefinition.org>
> > <http://opendefinition.org> pages but I am aware of at least one
> > other place it is found (the OD Guide?). So, I am requesting that
> > anyone who knows of other places where the summary exists to please
> > update it to match this new statement.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > H
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Aaron Wolf <wolftune at riseup.net <mailto:wolftune at riseup.net>
> > <mailto:wolftune at riseup.net <mailto:wolftune at riseup.net>>> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds great to me. Mostly, I want that as the *one* summary, and we
> > kill any additional summaries.
> >
> > On 04/20/2015 01:58 PM, Herb Lainchbury wrote:
> > > I have examined all four versions (including Aarons suggestion). I
> > > think the one on the home page is best, with the word "requirements"
> > > replaced by "measures":
> > >
> > > "Open means anyone can freely access, use, modify, and share for any
> > > purpose (subject, at most, to measures that preserve provenance and
> > > openness)."
> > >
> > > This summary is just describing the adjective "open". As a summary to
> > > me it seems clean, and easy to use on it's own. And, I think that's
> > > mostly how it's used in conversation.
> > >
> > > It can be applied to nouns such as knowledge, data and works in general...
> > >
> > > Having the last part in parentheses implies that the rest of it could
> > > stand on it's own - which it can grammatically, but I don't think it can
> > > as a general assertion, so I would consider removing the brackets as well.
> > >
> > > Is there any reason we *need* to refer to knowledge, data or content in
> > > the summary? Can we leave it to the definition to apply the word "open"
> > > and just stick to defining "open" in the summary?
> > >
> > > H
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Aaron Wolf <wolftune at riseup.net <mailto:wolftune at riseup.net>
> <mailto:wolftune at riseup.net <mailto:wolftune at riseup.net>>
> > > <mailto:wolftune at riseup.net <mailto:wolftune at riseup.net>
> <mailto:wolftune at riseup.net <mailto:wolftune at riseup.net>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I added a comment on the GitHub link.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/okfn/opendefinition/commit/9e853212a5690f1724e0b2a59808e91b7112c691#commitcomment-9979665
> > >
> > > I hadn't noticed that issue before with the double
> > definition that
> > > tries for concision but actually only makes the wording
> > longer, more
> > > confusing, and adds redundancy.
> > >
> > > Note that even the variations shown are inconsistent in
> > the term
> > > "measures" vs "requirements" — I definitely prefer
> > "measures" as it
> > > is more general and, I think, more appropriate for this
> > summary.
> > >
> > > For reference, the *additional* new proposal I added on
> > GitHub is:
> > >
> > > *"Open" means unrestricted.* Specifically, anyone can
> > freely access,
> > > use, modify, and share any open data, open content, and
> > other forms
> > > of open knowledge (subject, at most, to measures
> that preserve
> > > provenance and openness).
> > >
> > > I'm not sure it's best, but it offers elements for
> > consideration. I
> > > dislike the specification of "open data" and "open
> > content" without
> > > reference to open knowledge. I prefer either "open
> > knowledge" be
> > > included (and I could skip having "open content" ever
> > mentioned but
> > > won't insist) or not use an noun examples.
> > >
> > > I **strongly** agree that there should be one functional
> > summary
> > > statement used in all cases.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Aaron
> > > On 03/01/2015 09:56 PM, Mike Linksvayer wrote:
> > > > On 02/13/2015 07:57 AM, Herb Lainchbury wrote:
> > > > > In checking the text for the Ireland paper on
> licenses I
> > > realized we now
> > > > > have three similar but distinct summary statements.
> > > > >
> > > > > Two on the landing page:
> > > > >
> > > > > “Open means anyone can freely access, use,
> modify, and
> > share for any
> > > > > purpose (subject, at most, to requirements that
> preserve
> > > provenance and
> > > > > openness).”
> > > > >
> > > > > “Open data and content can be freely used, modified,
> > and shared by
> > > > > anyone for any purpose”
> > > > >
> > > > > and one on the definition page:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Knowledge is open if anyone is free to access, use,
> > modify, and
> > > share
> > > > > it — subject, at most, to measures that preserve
> > provenance and
> > > openness."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there some good reason for this that I'm missing?
> > > > >
> > > > > My thinking is that we should have one unless
> there is
> > some
> > > reason to
> > > > > have more than one.
> > > >
> > > > Rufus added the third one at
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/okfn/opendefinition/commit/9e853212a5690f1724e0b2a59808e91b7112c691#diff-e701188abab5b493e5915f1270430909
> > > >
> > > > I prefer only one on the home page and in the
> current OD
> > version. We
> > > > should be so happy with the summary in 2.1 that we
> don't
> > feel a
> > > need to
> > > > tweak for the home page.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
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