[okfn-advisory] Open Knowledge and Reset the Net

Thu Jun 5 22:05:32 UTC 2014

Carolina,

Criteria to help chapters is a great idea. Could the Advisory Council take
on drafting some ideas for this?  If so, would it be best to start a doc,
or fix a time for a call to start discussion?

I'm afraid the Lyon declaration needs a login - could you share some more
info?

Best regards,

Laura

On 5 June 2014 21:18, Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree. And support the  logic of "The closer to your core mission, the
> greater the support you can offer."
>
> I would also ask we come up with some criteria to help chapters. I say
> this since I have suggested OKF-Br to sign into declarations in the past
> regarding internet governance issues, and folks feel those were far from
> the mission of "push open data" (a very narrow way to understand part of
> the OKF mission). For instance, folks declined to support any of the
> BestBits statements on surveillance and related issues - see at:
> http://bestbits.net/category/statements/
>
> I would also support OKF signing into http://www.lyondeclaration.org/
> that IFLA is collecting signatures at the moment. It will be circulated
> during the WSIS - http://www.itu.int/wsis/review/2014.html.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:46 PM, glyn moody <glyn.moody at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's great news - thanks for this.
>>
>> On 5 June 2014 20:36, Laura James <laura.james at okfn.org> wrote:
>> > Glyn, Nat,
>> >
>> > Thank you - super helpful and the quick responses are really
>> appreciated.
>> >
>> > We've endorsed Reset The Net on Twitter and will see what else we can do
>> > tonight.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Laura
>> >
>> >
>> > On 5 June 2014 17:42, Nat Torkington <nathan at torkington.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> How I see it ...
>> >>
>> >> It’s appropriate to have multiple levels of “support”: endorse, fund,
>> >> cooperate.  Endorse = web splash and press release; fund = those + $;
>> >> cooperate = staff time and possibly $ towards public or private
>> activity.
>> >>
>> >> The closer to your core mission, the greater the support you can offer.
>> >>
>> >> Your organisation’s reputation is what you “spend” when you endorse
>> >> another project’s actions.  Just as with money, you have to be
>> conservative
>> >> with how you spend your reputation lest it dissipate and your
>> organisation
>> >> stands for nothing but “lefty pinko hippies” or “outrage merchants".
>>  (He
>> >> says, as an outraged lefty pinko hippy)
>> >>
>> >> This means you probably can’t endorse or fund everything that has an
>> >> overlap with your mission.
>> >>
>> >> I would support Reset the Net in particular, as its emphasis is on
>> >> increasing the security of the users of the Internet and this is
>> relevant to
>> >> the subset of the OKFN audience who are data journalists and
>> evidence-based
>> >> pro-democracy activists.   As others pointed out, if the data is open
>> but
>> >> your use of it is surveilled, you won’t be able to effect the change
>> you
>> >> want.
>> >>
>> >> But I’d be cautious about embracing every anti-surveillance
>> >> pro-net-neutrality anti-kettling pro-democracy anti-fox-hunting
>> Internet
>> >> campaign that wanders into your stakeholders’ attention.  You probably
>> have
>> >> room for one of those a year, and where possible a positive
>> one—clicking
>> >> through should HELP your audience, not merely add their name to a
>> pledge or
>> >> protest form.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers;
>> >>
>> >> Nat
>> >> --
>> >> Nat Torkington
>> >> Sent on the hoof
>> >>
>> >> On 5 June 2014 at 9:21:58 am, glyn moody (glyn.moody at gmail.com) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I feel strongly that you should support Reset the Net in particular,
>> >> and similar moves in general.
>> >>
>> >> Open knowledge is negated by a Net that is subject to almost total
>> >> surveillance - and we are already close that point. A Net where people
>> >> are free to share without constantly looking over their shoulder is an
>> >> essential pre-requisite for everything that Open Knowledge is trying
>> >> to achieve. Refusing to join the efforts to rein in surveillance
>> >> would be not just blinkered and short-sighted, but ultimately
>> >> self-destructive.
>> >>
>> >> On 5 June 2014 17:02, Laura James <laura.james at okfn.org> wrote:
>> >> > All,
>> >> >
>> >> > I'd love your opinions on this topic - should we formally support
>> >> > initiatives such as Reset the Net which don't have a specific
>> >> > open-knowledge
>> >> > aspect? What about Reset the Net specifically?
>> >> >
>> >> > In the thread below, I've followed the stance we've generally had in
>> the
>> >> > past, but perhaps it needs updating - your thoughts would be most
>> >> > helpful
>> >> > and welcome.
>> >> >
>> >> > Best regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > Laura
>> >> >
>>
>
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