[okfn-advisory] Open Knowledge and Reset the Net

Thu Jun 5 23:09:39 UTC 2014

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On Jun 5, 2014 6:05 PM, "Laura James" <laura.james at okfn.org> wrote:

> Carolina,
>
> Criteria to help chapters is a great idea. Could the Advisory Council take
> on drafting some ideas for this?  If so, would it be best to start a doc,
> or fix a time for a call to start discussion?
>
> I'm afraid the Lyon declaration needs a login - could you share some more
> info?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Laura
>
>
>
>
> On 5 June 2014 21:18, Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree. And support the  logic of "The closer to your core mission, the
>> greater the support you can offer."
>>
>> I would also ask we come up with some criteria to help chapters. I say
>> this since I have suggested OKF-Br to sign into declarations in the past
>> regarding internet governance issues, and folks feel those were far from
>> the mission of "push open data" (a very narrow way to understand part of
>> the OKF mission). For instance, folks declined to support any of the
>> BestBits statements on surveillance and related issues - see at:
>> http://bestbits.net/category/statements/
>>
>> I would also support OKF signing into http://www.lyondeclaration.org/
>> that IFLA is collecting signatures at the moment. It will be circulated
>> during the WSIS - http://www.itu.int/wsis/review/2014.html.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:46 PM, glyn moody <glyn.moody at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's great news - thanks for this.
>>>
>>> On 5 June 2014 20:36, Laura James <laura.james at okfn.org> wrote:
>>> > Glyn, Nat,
>>> >
>>> > Thank you - super helpful and the quick responses are really
>>> appreciated.
>>> >
>>> > We've endorsed Reset The Net on Twitter and will see what else we can
>>> do
>>> > tonight.
>>> >
>>> > Best regards,
>>> >
>>> > Laura
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 5 June 2014 17:42, Nat Torkington <nathan at torkington.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> How I see it ...
>>> >>
>>> >> It’s appropriate to have multiple levels of “support”: endorse, fund,
>>> >> cooperate.  Endorse = web splash and press release; fund = those + $;
>>> >> cooperate = staff time and possibly $ towards public or private
>>> activity.
>>> >>
>>> >> The closer to your core mission, the greater the support you can
>>> offer.
>>> >>
>>> >> Your organisation’s reputation is what you “spend” when you endorse
>>> >> another project’s actions.  Just as with money, you have to be
>>> conservative
>>> >> with how you spend your reputation lest it dissipate and your
>>> organisation
>>> >> stands for nothing but “lefty pinko hippies” or “outrage merchants".
>>>  (He
>>> >> says, as an outraged lefty pinko hippy)
>>> >>
>>> >> This means you probably can’t endorse or fund everything that has an
>>> >> overlap with your mission.
>>> >>
>>> >> I would support Reset the Net in particular, as its emphasis is on
>>> >> increasing the security of the users of the Internet and this is
>>> relevant to
>>> >> the subset of the OKFN audience who are data journalists and
>>> evidence-based
>>> >> pro-democracy activists.   As others pointed out, if the data is open
>>> but
>>> >> your use of it is surveilled, you won’t be able to effect the change
>>> you
>>> >> want.
>>> >>
>>> >> But I’d be cautious about embracing every anti-surveillance
>>> >> pro-net-neutrality anti-kettling pro-democracy anti-fox-hunting
>>> Internet
>>> >> campaign that wanders into your stakeholders’ attention.  You
>>> probably have
>>> >> room for one of those a year, and where possible a positive
>>> one—clicking
>>> >> through should HELP your audience, not merely add their name to a
>>> pledge or
>>> >> protest form.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers;
>>> >>
>>> >> Nat
>>> >> --
>>> >> Nat Torkington
>>> >> Sent on the hoof
>>> >>
>>> >> On 5 June 2014 at 9:21:58 am, glyn moody (glyn.moody at gmail.com)
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I feel strongly that you should support Reset the Net in particular,
>>> >> and similar moves in general.
>>> >>
>>> >> Open knowledge is negated by a Net that is subject to almost total
>>> >> surveillance - and we are already close that point. A Net where people
>>> >> are free to share without constantly looking over their shoulder is an
>>> >> essential pre-requisite for everything that Open Knowledge is trying
>>> >> to achieve. Refusing to join the efforts to rein in surveillance
>>> >> would be not just blinkered and short-sighted, but ultimately
>>> >> self-destructive.
>>> >>
>>> >> On 5 June 2014 17:02, Laura James <laura.james at okfn.org> wrote:
>>> >> > All,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I'd love your opinions on this topic - should we formally support
>>> >> > initiatives such as Reset the Net which don't have a specific
>>> >> > open-knowledge
>>> >> > aspect? What about Reset the Net specifically?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > In the thread below, I've followed the stance we've generally had
>>> in the
>>> >> > past, but perhaps it needs updating - your thoughts would be most
>>> >> > helpful
>>> >> > and welcome.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Best regards,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Laura
>>> >> >
>>>
>>
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