[@OKFNau] OPen Data South australia
Thomas, Alysha (OCIO)
Alysha.Thomas at sa.gov.au
Thu Sep 5 01:28:22 UTC 2013
Wanted to share with you this great news for South Australia Open data
The SA Government is opening up data. The Premier, Jay Weatherill has issued an open data declaration, which will require all government agencies to ensure their data is publicly accessible.
View the News release
http://www.premier.sa.gov.au/images/news_releases/13_08Aug/data.pdf
Key points
* officially launched http://www.data.sa.gov.au/
* announced Unleashed (Adelaide node of GovHack) for 2014
* The Office of the Chief Information Officer will lead an Open Data Action Plan to ensure the proactive release of data under agreed open data standards.
You can also Check out the new article in todays in daily
http://indaily.com.au/news/2013/09/04/open-season-declared-on-government-data/
I will be leading the program in SA so if you have any question or comments or suggestions for datasets please let me know.
Alysha Thomas
Program Manager, Open Data
Office of the Chief Information Officer
Government of South Australian
Email: datasa at sa.gov.au
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Sustainable open data (Anna Gerber)
2. Talk at Royal Soc NSW, Sydney, Wed (Matthew Todd)
3. Re: Sustainable open data (Andrew Perry)
4. Re: Sustainable open data (Andrew Perry)
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 18:44:59 +1000
From: Anna Gerber <anna.m.gerber at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [@OKFNau] Sustainable open data
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I think the point you raise about Government consuming their own data feeds is a really good one. At the Open Data Mixer in Brisbane on Saturday, in the Practical Uses for Open Data Panel, James Kliemt, Senior Digital Media Officer from the QLD Police described their strategy as 'guerilla open data', taking a bottom-up approach to publishing data sets that the public will find interesting. And as part of this, the media department are are consuming open data from their own agency, as it's easier for them to get the data via the open feeds.
There was also some discussion about some government departments not being aware of data that was held by other departments, and that the process of opening the data had identified problems with the data that could be addressed (and in some cases this data had been used internally for generating reports for years).
You can watch the session here (about 20:25 in for the comment about using their own data) http://mediasite.webcastcloud.com.au/Mediasite/Catalog/catalogs/opendatamixer
Anna
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Quick advert that I'm talking about open science at the Royal Society of NSW in Sydney CBD on Wednesday evening. It's open to non-members for a small fee, though there is a dress code.
pdf of the abstract and location:
http://royalsoc.org.au/publications/bulletins/rsnsw_bull_369.pdf
I'm interested to see the response of this audience, since I would expect them to be less online than some of the people we're used to talking to about open research, and I'd like to see if that makes a difference. At open events it can occasionally feel like one is preaching to the converted...
Cheers,
Mat
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From: Andrew Perry <andrew.perry at foclaw.org>
Subject: Re: [@OKFNau] Sustainable open data
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This is a great topic!
My personal view / manifesto is outlined here: http://www.foclaw.org
In order for sharing of data / code to be sustainable, sometimes a mix of free/open/creative commons etc models may be appropriate.
For example, two organisations that are co-founding the Collaboratory incubation and co-working space with us at Parramatta (http://www.collaboratory.com.au &
https://www.facebook.com/CollaboratoryAU) are Open Local (non-profit) and Community Builders Australia (social enterprise).
Open Local has implemented mySociety's Open Source FixMyStreet platform here in Australia (http://www.fixmystreet.org), as well as a MapIt server of electoral boundaries (http://mapit.openlocal.org.au). Open Local allows free non-commercial, low volume use of the MapIt server as well as providing subscriptions for higher volume and commercial use.
Open Local is committed to Open Source / Open Data / Open Standards and has, to date, received no public funding.
Community Builders Australia supports Open Local through, among other things, a subscription to the Open Local MapIt server. It uses it for the Where to Vote and How to Vote apps it has developed which are available free (as in beer) at:
For Android:
Where to Vote: http://bit.ly/14JhAbn
How to Vote: http://bit.ly/15fQHSz
And for iOS at:
Where to Vote: http://bit.ly/15fgFmi
How to Vote: http://bit.ly/15aranM
The electoral boundaries and polling booth locations / candidate lists are provided under creative commons licenses from the AEC / ABS.
The big win for the AEC out of making their data available this way is that they have facilitated the public having access to a free app to find their local voting locations and candidates, which they/taxpayers haven't had to pay to develop or support themselves. Of course in future they may want to have their own branded version of the app (or build a similar app). Community Builders Australia's model is that candidates/their supports will fund the provision of the app in future by paying to include their profiles and how to vote / social media / fundraising links in the app in addition to the basic ballot order listing of candidates that is provided.
Election night broadcasts also make great use of data feeds coming openly from the AEC. This not only provides transparency, but great value to networks who want to provide up to the minute coverage - so in line with your question, should TV networks pay for those data feeds?
Arguably yes - so that at least the infrastructure required for a live stream is adequately compensated.
For example, the data feeds could be made available for a fee to networks, and to candidates/parties and individuals/non-profits on election night under a "free beer" creative commons licence. Shortly after election day the data could then be distributed under a more liberal, public, "free speech" licence. (Mind you because this is election data I would be more inclined to say it should be licensed liberally from the get-go - just the "live" distribution stream may not be available to the public or other people who don't contribute to the cost of running that stream on election night - but the data could still be seeded as a torrent with periodic updates!).
Other great innovations arising from the "open" release of this data are featured in the following article you may have seen:
http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/diy-howtovote-cards-to-give-voters-control-in-just-a-few-clicks-20130830-2sup6.html
Through our involvement as an anchor tenant and co-founder of Collaboratory, we hope to bring government, education and private sector stakeholders together to use Open Innovation to develop sustainable models for creating and sharing tools and data. Creative Commons (discriminatory style) licences are one way that this can be achieved, by allowing non-commercial / developmental / educational use for free while requiring payment for a separate licence for commercial use. Like the mining tax ;-), the commercial licence could be profit-based (or revenue based).
As long as the terms of the arrangement are clear and aren't varied whimsically by the government licensor, then the development community can invest in building great tools using the "creative commons data"
(without barriers to entry) and then release them in a way that the government gets a return on its contribution to the app / service's success. We see some parallels in the Apple App Store and Google Play Store in that the tools and APIs are accessible for free, but the providers get a revenue share for the non-free apps.
Regards
Andrew
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Andrew Newman wrote:
> I went to Rufus's talk on Friday about Open Data and I asked about the
> quality and sustainability of producing open data.
>
> I wonder about how it's going to work generally? The open data
> movement is great and I'd like to see it work but the revenue model
> seems broken. Companies like Google, Facebook, etc. make money
> selling data and services. The government can provide amazing
> infrastructure (Internet, GPS, public data sets, etc) but it then
> fails to capture the biggest revenue stream from these companies which
> is tax - they are phenomenally good at paying almost no tax [1]. Is
> there an alternative revenue stream?
>
> One project that I'm thinking of, the Queensland Globe, relied on low
> or free licenses and converting the data to one that could be used by
> Google Earth Enterprise. It doesn't seem to have been thought of in a
> sustainable way.
>
> Related to this idea is that governments should try and consume the
> data they produce so that they can reduce the duplication (using a
> proprietary system and producing regular data dumps). If it's seen as
> something external to their process they can just cut off the data dumps.
>
> Rufus mentioned API/services and paying to update (submitting the data
> attracts a fee) - I think it would help but a lot of these systems
> already have these models in place and still aren't done sustainably.
> It seems they think of IT more of a project of work, with a deadline,
> that is completed rather than one that has constant feedback and
> maintenance costs.
>
> [1]
> http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/7/15/social-media/loo
> king-beyond-apples-tax-evasion-tactics
>
>
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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 01:14:05 +1000
From: Andrew Perry <andrew.perry at foclaw.org>
Subject: Re: [@OKFNau] Sustainable open data
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Oops - that link to the Australian FixMyStreet should have been:
http://www.fixmystreet.org.au
Andrew Perry wrote:
> This is a great topic!
>
> My personal view / manifesto is outlined here: http://www.foclaw.org
>
> In order for sharing of data / code to be sustainable, sometimes a mix
> of free/open/creative commons etc models may be appropriate.
>
> For example, two organisations that are co-founding the Collaboratory
> incubation and co-working space with us at Parramatta
> (http://www.collaboratory.com.au &
> https://www.facebook.com/CollaboratoryAU) are Open Local (non-profit)
> and Community Builders Australia (social enterprise).
>
> Open Local has implemented mySociety's Open Source FixMyStreet
> platform here in Australia (http://www.fixmystreet.org), as well as a
> MapIt server of electoral boundaries (http://mapit.openlocal.org.au).
> Open Local allows free non-commercial, low volume use of the MapIt
> server as well as providing subscriptions for higher volume and
> commercial use. Open Local is committed to Open Source / Open Data /
> Open Standards and has, to date, received no public funding.
>
> Community Builders Australia supports Open Local through, among other
> things, a subscription to the Open Local MapIt server. It uses it for
> the Where to Vote and How to Vote apps it has developed which are
> available free (as in beer) at:
>
> For Android:
>
> Where to Vote: http://bit.ly/14JhAbn
>
> How to Vote: http://bit.ly/15fQHSz
>
> And for iOS at:
>
> Where to Vote: http://bit.ly/15fgFmi
>
> How to Vote: http://bit.ly/15aranM
>
> The electoral boundaries and polling booth locations / candidate lists
> are provided under creative commons licenses from the AEC / ABS.
>
> The big win for the AEC out of making their data available this way is
> that they have facilitated the public having access to a free app to
> find their local voting locations and candidates, which they/taxpayers
> haven't had to pay to develop or support themselves. Of course in
> future they may want to have their own branded version of the app (or
> build a similar app). Community Builders Australia's model is that
> candidates/their supports will fund the provision of the app in future
> by paying to include their profiles and how to vote / social media /
> fundraising links in the app in addition to the basic ballot order
> listing of candidates that is provided.
>
> Election night broadcasts also make great use of data feeds coming
> openly from the AEC. This not only provides transparency, but great
> value to networks who want to provide up to the minute coverage - so
> in line with your question, should TV networks pay for those data
> feeds? Arguably yes - so that at least the infrastructure required
> for a live stream is adequately compensated.
>
> For example, the data feeds could be made available for a fee to
> networks, and to candidates/parties and individuals/non-profits on
> election night under a "free beer" creative commons licence. Shortly
> after election day the data could then be distributed under a more
> liberal, public, "free speech" licence. (Mind you because this is
> election data I would be more inclined to say it should be licensed
> liberally from the get-go - just the "live" distribution stream may
> not be available to the public or other people who don't contribute to
> the cost of running that stream on election night - but the data could
> still be seeded as a torrent with periodic updates!).
>
> Other great innovations arising from the "open" release of this data
> are featured in the following article you may have seen:
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/diy-howtovote-
> cards-to-give-voters-control-in-just-a-few-clicks-20130830-2sup6.html
>
> Through our involvement as an anchor tenant and co-founder of
> Collaboratory, we hope to bring government, education and private
> sector stakeholders together to use Open Innovation to develop
> sustainable models for creating and sharing tools and data. Creative
> Commons (discriminatory style) licences are one way that this can be
> achieved, by allowing non-commercial / developmental / educational use
> for free while requiring payment for a separate licence for commercial
> use. Like the mining tax ;-), the commercial licence could be
> profit-based (or revenue based).
>
> As long as the terms of the arrangement are clear and aren't varied
> whimsically by the government licensor, then the development community
> can invest in building great tools using the "creative commons data"
> (without barriers to entry) and then release them in a way that the
> government gets a return on its contribution to the app / service's
> success. We see some parallels in the Apple App Store and Google Play
> Store in that the tools and APIs are accessible for free, but the
> providers get a revenue share for the non-free apps.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
> *Andrew Perry*
> Executive Director
>
> free open creative law
>
> *P* 1300 855 078
> *M* 0413 045 300
> *F* 02 8090 3699
>
> *An initiative of legal.consult pty ltd *ABN 84 002 413 078
> www.legalconsult.com.au <http://www.legalconsult.com.au>
>
> *Parramatta*
> Collaboratory
> Level 2
> 96 Phillip Street
> PARRAMATTA NSW 2150
>
>
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>
> Andrew Newman wrote:
>> I went to Rufus's talk on Friday about Open Data and I asked about
>> the quality and sustainability of producing open data.
>>
>> I wonder about how it's going to work generally? The open data
>> movement is great and I'd like to see it work but the revenue model
>> seems broken. Companies like Google, Facebook, etc. make money
>> selling data and services. The government can provide amazing
>> infrastructure (Internet, GPS, public data sets, etc) but it then
>> fails to capture the biggest revenue stream from these companies
>> which is tax - they are phenomenally good at paying almost no tax
>> [1]. Is there an alternative revenue stream?
>>
>> One project that I'm thinking of, the Queensland Globe, relied on low
>> or free licenses and converting the data to one that could be used by
>> Google Earth Enterprise. It doesn't seem to have been thought of in
>> a sustainable way.
>>
>> Related to this idea is that governments should try and consume the
>> data they produce so that they can reduce the duplication (using a
>> proprietary system and producing regular data dumps). If it's seen
>> as something external to their process they can just cut off the data
>> dumps.
>>
>> Rufus mentioned API/services and paying to update (submitting the
>> data attracts a fee) - I think it would help but a lot of these
>> systems already have these models in place and still aren't done
>> sustainably. It seems they think of IT more of a project of work,
>> with a deadline, that is completed rather than one that has constant
>> feedback and maintenance costs.
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/7/15/social-media/lo
>> oking-beyond-apples-tax-evasion-tactics
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OKFN-AU mailing list
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