[@OKau] Building A Startup Doesn’t Make You Special

Rosie Williams BudgetAus at hotmail.com
Thu Feb 25 00:35:36 UTC 2016

Thanks Steven,

I hope I didn't come across sounding like I thought there wasn't much hope for open data. I was mainly just pointing out how I'd noticed the different difficulty levels of different ways of going about things. I don't think when I set out under NEIS mid last year that I appreciated the difference in labour not to mention stress between say being a consultant and creating/selling products directly to the public. I do now lol. Consulting type activities should allow me to share my knowledge which is not something I get the time to do when all I do is code then bang out an occasional blog post/article in a spare hour here or there that barely scratches the surface of what my work entails. So I no longer think creating/selling products is actually the best way for society to get the value out of my knowledge, at least not in the short term.

Thanks for the run down of your ideas. I'm probably thinking more laterally now so they are of interest to me.

As for the article, I'm not a fan myself of startup culture/goals and having nothing in common with most startup founders. However the article did make me think about what a feat it is for anyone to actually start up a business (or any other organisation), that it is never an easy thing to do. I think that is probably a key issue affecting new initiatives of any kind including open knowledge projects and ideas.

As you say there are other avenues however if you are largely outside of academia, business and government it is difficult to know how to access opportunities. I'm going to give it a red hot try though.



From: okfn-au <okfn-au-bounces at lists.okfn.org> on behalf of Steven De Costa <steven.decosta at linkdigital.com.au>
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Always great to have you share your experience and insight Rosie :)

On the article, it is quite antagonistic but understandable all the same. I've run into a number of startup founders over the last few years, mostly outside Australia, and they do present themselves as pretty special folk. However, you just need to appreciate that they really do need to focus on selling their ideas and vision in order to gain the backing they hope to achieve. This naturally translates into common attitudes which I think the article is attempting to debunk - but I find that outside particular bubbles no one really believes the hype surrounding startup pitches. Experienced folk only pay attention to the substance within the pitch.

Regarding open data businesses in Australia I do see a lot of opportunity. I agree that establishing an open data channel for service or product revenue within an established company is much more sustainable that starting something fresh which is entirely dependent on revenue from open data initiatives.

There are many emerging sectors where open data has gained some footholds. That is, organisations are happy to allocate a budget for engagement on initiatives. My short list would be:

Government - both jurisdictional 'whole of Govt' and agencies. This is different in federal, state and council jurisdictions but there is enough momentum that work can be found if you are able to build a profile for the services and products you can provide.

Academia - the cross over between open data and open access is substantial. With changes to research grant approvals being put in place to emphasise market ready research, open data based innovations that link back to academic research activities are an easy economic win. Now is a good time to talk with research teams to learn about their work and help them design ways that the value of their research can deliver more value published within an open or public data model.

Corporate - large corporate operations face similar scrutiny from the public as Government operations. Publicly trading companies and companies with large consumer numbers have a need for more efficient disclosure. The same tools and techniques that have matured within the open Government data sector can be applied within such corporate environments.

NGOs - taking the success stories from initiatives that are being run in developing economies by NGOs and replicating the approach within Australia and our surrounding region is somewhat daunting, but not impossible. I think that this will be an area of work that will grow quickly once it takes off.

Self starting initiatives - I think this is likely where people begin when looking for opportunities to develop value with open data and attempt to establish revenue to sustain their work. Among this short list it is probably the hardest form of work to secure. After building a profile for my company over the last 14 years, and more recently around AWS and open data since 2012, we've only just secured our first paying job to build something designed entirely from our own ideas. Doing this requires an enormous amount of stakeholder management and substantial risk. I suspect it will be our most rewarding work, but it wont really pay staff wages for at least two years.

In general, every contract is special. They pay wages, subsidise work to build greater capability and it is a very long game you need to play. All the while you remain terrified because any multinational with the slightest understanding of how to engage in this space could easily swoop in and take your contracts. As such, you need to pitch and deliver everything at the enterprise level.

It is a great and worthwhile challenge which I think Australian companies are well placed to tackle. We actually have the beginnings of a national open data infrastructure in place today. With a little more work over the years ahead Australia could have the best and most effective model for publishing open data from all three tiers of Government, synthesised via common standards, with open data from corporate, academic and community generated sources increasing the total value of our infrastructure.



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On 24 February 2016 at 09:14, Rosie Williams <BudgetAus at hotmail.com<mailto:BudgetAus at hotmail.com>> wrote:

How do you see this as relevant and contributing to the understanding of open knowledge Lachlan?

Speaking of business models, I've come round to the realisation that doing open data as a business product/service (unless you are an already established business with established customer base ie not a startup) is not a realistic way to be doing open data anymore than expecting to start organisations on alternative bases such as cooperatives or charities and achieve things within a short timeframe. After all just look how long it took for the OKFNAu to get incorporated, much less set up a sustainable financial model to fund new open knowledge projects.  Now apply that level of challenge to a team of maybe one or more open knowledge advocates trying to establish similar organisations.

Trying to establish an organisation to accomplish goals whether it is under an ABN or ACN is a difficult process which is why there are so few open data projects  for financial and political transparency other than my own and so few open data projects generally. Even the OpenAustralia Foundation gets income from selling some of their services/products so the line between what is a 'startup' and any other type of organisation trying to make open data projects survive is pretty slim.

This is why so few gov hacks go on to form the basis of future projects- because of the challenges inherent in creating financial sustainability for those creating and implementing them. If they require very little in the way of upkeep (and therefore not require full time labour) that might be plausible to continue them but most things that have value have value for the reason that they do require significant investment of labour and expertise. When people only ever spend a weekend mocking up apps, I'm not sure that gives the true picture of the ongoing labour, expertise and lobbying required to make projects an ongoing success. For example issues in the data may not be noticeable in hack events and only come to light when more serious/ongoing engagement with the data occurs.

A better example is to compare your average hacker's daily work which requires full time commitment, a multidisciplinary team, management, contracts etc all of which are deemed necessary in order to create and maintain successful projects. That open data projects are so often considered not to need these things to achieve the same level of stability and success is something I've always found quite interesting.

>From my own experience, requiring one person to lobby to release data- wait for that release which may be months or years into the future, collect data (perhaps from multiple agency sites, clean it, design and write database backed websites, promote it etc puts everything on the shoulders of one person or at best a very small team. Open source projects hope to encourage volunteers to do the actual coding for free but those I know of struggle to recruit people willing to do that.  I certainly went down that road when I first launched some months ago now, but found it untenable given the short time frame put on me to prove my success.

Much open data needs tweaking in order to be made serious use of which can only take place in consultation with agencies publishing the data. It is not just a matter of agencies saying here is the data and that's that, but of a process of engagement where those working with the data can give feedback as to how the data can be improved. This goes right the way into making submissions to inquiries into agency annual reports or budget data sets (for example) where you are actually changing the information that eventually ends up as open data.

This sort of thing requires serious ongoing commitment and a decent level of expertise in the matters at hand. Very few people  in Australia actually run ongoing open data projects to know what it involves. Most people work day jobs doing other things (which may or may not be related to open data). I do have a plan for going forward so that the accumulated expertise (not to mention technological output) I have created is not lost at such a crucial stage as the leadup to the National Action Plan however it is only in considering a different role than maintaining finished and regularly updated commercial grade open data projects that I have realised just what a burden I was placing upon myself.

Having said that, without having done what I have over the past six months I doubt I'd be in a position to carry on in the way I intend. I'll post more about that another time.



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