[okfn-be] Desired feedback on datasets

[maarten deneckere]

Hey all,

As self-employed person, I regularly get letters and mails from business
that bought the KBO data and they try to sell "my company" something.
Apparantly they bought the data from the government under a license that
allows spamming me with mail (both electronic and postal). The cost of this
should be high, and I'm glad the government is asking that amount of money
for it!

But you are right the government should allow us to buy the data for a much
lower price. But don't ask for the same license. That "cheaper data" should
not include to the right to spam people. I think in that case they would
sell it at a lower price.

Btw: license agreement (in Dutch):
http://economie.fgov.be/nl/binaries/licentieovereenkomst_tcm325-52923.pdf

Grtz,
Maarten

2012/2/22 Cedric De Vroey <cedric.devroey at gmail.com>

> "I proposed them that
>> it would be better to license the KBO data to 100.000 people for € 6,
>> instead of the 6 parties for € 100.000. They didn't like the idea
>> because of the additional administration"
>>
>
> Euhm, this is the moment where I say "What the fuck?!?"
>
> Governments are obliged to open up that data, even if it would be
> pointless and lead to no added value for themselves. It is our democratic
> right to have access to data which is generated through public services,
> paid with our own hard tax money (with respect to privacy and security of
> course). I think it is completely outrageous that FEDecon sells data, I
> never heard about this fact but I am profoundly shocked now I know. If
> there is action to be taken then it is to stop this malpractice! I already
> paid for collecting that data, I already paid for the machines that process
> that data, I paid for the machines that deliver the data to the parties
> that buy these data at the moment and I also paid for the workforce that
> developed the platform. I already paid! I'm not going to pay twice!
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Bart Van Loon <bart at zeropoint.it> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It was Tue Feb 21 at 03:53PM when Miel Vander Sande wrote:
>> >    Related to my latest research topic on Open Government Data
>> >    publishing I am putting together a small survey on the desired
>> >    feedback of Open Data sets. For governments, the return on
>> >    releasing data is incredibly valuable. This can be split up into
>> >    two parts:
>> >
>> >    1. Data usage (where?, by who?, how?, for what?, in which
>> >    form?,...)
>> >    2. Crowd sourced elaboration (validation, correction, addition,...)
>>
>> Are you sure governments like crowd sources elaborations?
>>
>> >    My questions:
>> >
>> >    A. Does anybody know some more or concrete examples of desired
>> >    feedback by governments?
>>
>> Usage statistics. When I was talking with FODecon I proposed them that
>> it would be better to license the KBO data to 100.000 people for € 6,
>> instead of the 6 parties for € 100.000. They didn't like the idea
>> because of the additional administration etc... But also because they
>> weren't convinced they would reach a greater audience this way.
>>
>> So the reach of their data might have good value.
>>
>> >    B. Does anybody know examples of statistical analysis governments
>> >    would like to perform on this feedback?
>> >
>> >    C. Concerning crowd sourced elaboration, what do governments (would
>> >    like to) do with this feedback? What would be the concrete result?
>> >
>> >    Any comment is of course welcome, in particular from the government
>> >    point of view!
>>
>> --
>> regards,
>> Bart Van Loon
>>
>>    Pakistan Fact #23: The largest mosque in the world is Shah Faisal
>> Mosque
>> (Islamabad, Pakistan) according to the Guinness Book of World Records,
>> 2002.
>>
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