[okfn-be] Desired feedback on datasets

Cedric De Vroey cedric.devroey at gmail.com
Wed Feb 22 12:13:22 UTC 2012


@Maarten: "Persoonsgegevens mogen niet worden gebruikt voor direct
marketing doeleinden" Artikel 3.6

In het geval dat je beschrijft is er dus sprake van misbruik, of heeft men
niet jou persoonsgegevens gebruikt maar de contactgegevens van jou
onderneming die dan rechtstreeks tot bij u leiden.
Ik vind het vreemd dat data over mijzelf en mijn medeburgers word verkocht,
ik voel mij dan net een product, wat ik in deze niet ben. Ik ben burger en
daarnaast ondernemer, geen product. Als de overheid ervoor kiest om die
data vrij te geven, fine by me, maar dan wel gratis zodat iedereen er zijn
ding mee kan doen en niet gewoon degene die geld genoeg heeft om een
licentie binnen te halen want dat is compleet anti-democratisch.

Nog een ethische bedenking: ik vind dat ik het recht heb om de overheid te
verbieden om die data te verkopen. Data vrijgeven aan de overheid om het
beheer te vereenvoudigen en controle mogelijk te maken is nogal evident,
data vrijgeven aan de overheid om ze dan te laten verkopen is een heel
ander paar mouwen. Bij facebook en andere heb ik ook het recht om een
gebruikersovereenkomst te weigeren omdat ik niet wil dat mijn data aan
derden word doorverkocht. Wel, als de overheid hier data handelaartje wil
spelen moet ze ook maar de regels van de markt volgen.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:43 PM, maarten deneckere <
maartendeneckere at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> As self-employed person, I regularly get letters and mails from business
> that bought the KBO data and they try to sell "my company" something.
> Apparantly they bought the data from the government under a license that
> allows spamming me with mail (both electronic and postal). The cost of this
> should be high, and I'm glad the government is asking that amount of money
> for it!
>
> But you are right the government should allow us to buy the data for a
> much lower price. But don't ask for the same license. That "cheaper data"
> should not include to the right to spam people. I think in that case they
> would sell it at a lower price.
>
> Btw: license agreement (in Dutch):
> http://economie.fgov.be/nl/binaries/licentieovereenkomst_tcm325-52923.pdf
>
> Grtz,
> Maarten
>
>
> 2012/2/22 Cedric De Vroey <cedric.devroey at gmail.com>
>
>> "I proposed them that
>>> it would be better to license the KBO data to 100.000 people for € 6,
>>> instead of the 6 parties for € 100.000. They didn't like the idea
>>> because of the additional administration"
>>>
>>
>> Euhm, this is the moment where I say "What the fuck?!?"
>>
>> Governments are obliged to open up that data, even if it would be
>> pointless and lead to no added value for themselves. It is our democratic
>> right to have access to data which is generated through public services,
>> paid with our own hard tax money (with respect to privacy and security of
>> course). I think it is completely outrageous that FEDecon sells data, I
>> never heard about this fact but I am profoundly shocked now I know. If
>> there is action to be taken then it is to stop this malpractice! I already
>> paid for collecting that data, I already paid for the machines that process
>> that data, I paid for the machines that deliver the data to the parties
>> that buy these data at the moment and I also paid for the workforce that
>> developed the platform. I already paid! I'm not going to pay twice!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Bart Van Loon <bart at zeropoint.it>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It was Tue Feb 21 at 03:53PM when Miel Vander Sande wrote:
>>> >    Related to my latest research topic on Open Government Data
>>> >    publishing I am putting together a small survey on the desired
>>> >    feedback of Open Data sets. For governments, the return on
>>> >    releasing data is incredibly valuable. This can be split up into
>>> >    two parts:
>>> >
>>> >    1. Data usage (where?, by who?, how?, for what?, in which
>>> >    form?,...)
>>> >    2. Crowd sourced elaboration (validation, correction, addition,...)
>>>
>>> Are you sure governments like crowd sources elaborations?
>>>
>>> >    My questions:
>>> >
>>> >    A. Does anybody know some more or concrete examples of desired
>>> >    feedback by governments?
>>>
>>> Usage statistics. When I was talking with FODecon I proposed them that
>>> it would be better to license the KBO data to 100.000 people for € 6,
>>> instead of the 6 parties for € 100.000. They didn't like the idea
>>> because of the additional administration etc... But also because they
>>> weren't convinced they would reach a greater audience this way.
>>>
>>> So the reach of their data might have good value.
>>>
>>> >    B. Does anybody know examples of statistical analysis governments
>>> >    would like to perform on this feedback?
>>> >
>>> >    C. Concerning crowd sourced elaboration, what do governments (would
>>> >    like to) do with this feedback? What would be the concrete result?
>>> >
>>> >    Any comment is of course welcome, in particular from the government
>>> >    point of view!
>>>
>>> --
>>> regards,
>>> Bart Van Loon
>>>
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>>> Mosque
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>>> 2002.
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Cedric De Vroey
>>
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