[Okfn-ca] [CivicAccess-discuss] The Role of Canadian Municipal Open Data: A Multi-city Evaluation | Currie, Liam (MA Thesis)

[Tracey P. Lauriault]

Immanuel;

What Stephane is saying, is that in the short term, as
cities/Provs/Terr/Feds are transitioning to open data strategies, they need
to cobble up what they have on hand to get data out.  Be that open source
or not.  Once they get established a little, and do some organizational
learning they can move to other platforms which in the best possible world,
OS.

I would argue that many of the current portals, even currently used open
data OS ones, do not scale well when tens of thousands of datasets are in
the systems.  The TBS open data portal is an great example.  Searching data
with tags is by no means the best way, and common keyword vocabularies need
to be used in order to actually find stuff.  This is where the geomatics
folks, and the librarians come into play, they have been doing catalogs and
portals for a good long time.  The Ottawa Public Library is an example of
an excellent interoperable multi institutional catalog system.  Just need
to think of data as books!

Finally, this list has always been one where we communicate
diplomatically.  Your last post was, somewhat not of that nature.  Breathe
first.  Absolutism should be tempered with the grey zones of institutional
change that we are witnessing in our institutions.  We will have to be
patient or we will lose them.

Cheers
t


On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Immanuel Giulea
<giulea.immanuel at gmail.com>wrote:

> You don't need open source to have open data.   One the most successful
>> open data platforms on the planet is not built with open source software
>> (Socrata).  And most of the worlds best open data is stored in a decidedly
>> non-open data data store which cannot be easily replaced (Oracle), nor
>> should it.
>>
> -1
>
> This is so wrong, and on so many levels!!
>
> You cannot have open data without open source.
> Socrata is not the best platform, it is being replaced by CKAN.
> Oracle is being abandonned to the favor of MariaDB and Postgres and other
> open database solutions.
>
>
> As a subject matter, Open Source software is a very different realm than
> open data, something that people surprisingly get mixed up together and
> lump into one because they share is the word "Open".    It's also something
> that would be difficult to write about with any depth unless you have
> actually worked  in software development;  it's perhaps the only way to
> separate  the hype from reality….and there is a lot of hype to be sure.
>
>
>
> -1 again
> And wrong on so many levels again. Open data and open source are
> intimately linked and should be analysed together.
> You don't need an degree in software development to analyse the adoption
> levels of FLOSS across different countries, levels of government and
> industries.
>
>
> No open data without open source!
>
> Just my 2 cents
>
>
> Immanuel
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Peder Jakobsen <pjakobsen at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2013-09-01, at 7:55 AM, Immanuel Giulea <giulea.immanuel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would include the use of Free Libre and Open Source Software because
>> open data without the right tools is not completely open data.
>>
>>
>> You don't need open source to have open data.   One the most successful
>> open data platforms on the planet is not built with open source software
>> (Socrata).  And most of the worlds best open data is stored in a decidedly
>> non-open data data store which cannot be easily replaced (Oracle), nor
>> should it.
>>
>> As a subject matter, Open Source software is a very different realm than
>> open data, something that people surprisingly get mixed up together and
>> lump into one because they share is the word "Open".    It's also something
>> that would be difficult to write about with any depth unless you have
>> actually worked  in software development;  it's perhaps the only way to
>> separate  the hype from reality….and there is a lot of hype to be sure.
>>
>> I love open data for a thesis, I would just extend it beyond the Canadian
>> border, otherwise the subject matter seems too small.
>>
>> Peder
>>
>>
>
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