[Okfn-ca] [CivicAccess-discuss] The Role of Canadian Municipal Open Data: A Multi-city Evaluation | Currie, Liam (MA Thesis)
Diane Mercier
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Wed Sep 4 14:56:44 UTC 2013
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Le 2013-09-04 10:18, James McKinney a écrit :
> (Cutting out all the other lists so that we don't cross-post
> unnecessarily.)
>
> Actually, Immanuel was quoting Peder :) But Stephane did agree with
> Peder with:
>
>> +1 Although I am a proponent of open source software, OS/FLOSS
>> software cannot be tied to strongly with open data (or open gov).
>> FLOSS software can enabled some benefits linked to open data, for
>> example better collaboration around data management and software
>> development. But it is not and should not be presented as a
>> prerequisite. Many gov agencies are used to work with some software
>> provider and those agencies and their team should not feel under
>> attack when open data arrives.
>
> Anyway, you can clearly have open data without open source. As
> mentioned, many governments use proprietary platforms like Socrata to
> manage and distribute open data, and even more governments use
> in-house proprietary code to do the same. A lot of open data currently
> published is created by proprietary software (ESRI ArcGIS) and stored
> in a proprietary format (ESRI Shapefile).
>
> The definition of open data does not set any requirements with respect
> to the licensing of the *software* used to create, manage and
> distribute the open data. The definition only sets requirements with
> respect to the licensing of the *data*.
>
> And you can clearly analyze open data and open source separately. Open
> source (and free software) have been around a lot longer as
> established concepts than open data has, and people have had no
> trouble analyzing open source in isolation for all that time.
>
> Anyway, no one is arguing against open source. People have simply
> pointed out that there is a distinction between the two concepts.
>
> James
>
> On 2013-09-04, at 8:30 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:
>
>> Immanuel;
>>
>> What Stephane is saying, is that in the short term, as
>> cities/Provs/Terr/Feds are transitioning to open data strategies,
>> they need to cobble up what they have on hand to get data out. Be
>> that open source or not. Once they get established a little, and do
>> some organizational learning they can move to other platforms which
>> in the best possible world, OS.
>>
>> I would argue that many of the current portals, even currently used
>> open data OS ones, do not scale well when tens of thousands of
>> datasets are in the systems. The TBS open data portal is an great
>> example. Searching data with tags is by no means the best way, and
>> common keyword vocabularies need to be used in order to actually find
>> stuff. This is where the geomatics folks, and the librarians come
>> into play, they have been doing catalogs and portals for a good long
>> time. The Ottawa Public Library is an example of an excellent
>> interoperable multi institutional catalog system. Just need to think
>> of data as books!
>>
>> Finally, this list has always been one where we communicate
>> diplomatically. Your last post was, somewhat not of that nature.
>> Breathe first. Absolutism should be tempered with the grey zones of
>> institutional change that we are witnessing in our institutions. We
>> will have to be patient or we will lose them.
>>
>> Cheers
>> t
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Immanuel Giulea
>> <giulea.immanuel at gmail.com <mailto:giulea.immanuel at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> You don't need open source to have open data. One the most
>> successful open data platforms on the planet is not built
>> with open source software (Socrata). And most of the worlds
>> best open data is stored in a decidedly non-open data data
>> store which cannot be easily replaced (Oracle), nor should it.
>>
>> -1
>>
>> This is so wrong, and on so many levels!!
>>
>> You cannot have open data without open source.
>> Socrata is not the best platform, it is being replaced by CKAN.
>> Oracle is being abandonned to the favor of MariaDB and Postgres
>> and other open database solutions.
>>
>>
>> As a subject matter, Open Source software is a very different
>> realm than open data, something that people surprisingly get
>> mixed up together and lump into one because they share is the
>> word "Open". It's also something that would be difficult
>> to write about with any depth unless you have actually
>> worked in software development; it's perhaps the only way
>> to separate the hype from reality....and there is a lot of
>> hype to be sure.
>>
>>
>>
>> -1 again
>> And wrong on so many levels again. Open data and open source are
>> intimately linked and should be analysed together.
>> You don't need an degree in software development to analyse the
>> adoption levels of FLOSS across different countries, levels of
>> government and industries.
>>
>>
>> No open data without open source!
>>
>> Just my 2 cents
>>
>>
>> Immanuel
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Peder Jakobsen
>> <pjakobsen at gmail.com <mailto:pjakobsen at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2013-09-01, at 7:55 AM, Immanuel Giulea
>> <giulea.immanuel at gmail.com
>> <mailto:giulea.immanuel at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would include the use of Free Libre and Open Source
>>> Software because open data without the right tools is not
>>> completely open data.
>>
>> You don't need open source to have open data. One the most
>> successful open data platforms on the planet is not built
>> with open source software (Socrata). And most of the worlds
>> best open data is stored in a decidedly non-open data data
>> store which cannot be easily replaced (Oracle), nor should it.
>>
>> As a subject matter, Open Source software is a very different
>> realm than open data, something that people surprisingly get
>> mixed up together and lump into one because they share is the
>> word "Open". It's also something that would be difficult
>> to write about with any depth unless you have actually worked
>> in software development; it's perhaps the only way to
>> separate the hype from reality....and there is a lot of hype
>> to be sure.
>>
>> I love open data for a thesis, I would just extend it beyond
>> the Canadian border, otherwise the subject matter seems too
>> small.
>>
>> Peder
>>
>>
>>
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