[okfn-discuss] Keeping DRM out of HTML5

Thu May 16 16:17:21 UTC 2013

As someone who was at the last HTML WG meeting, I'm going to note that none
of the browser vendors objected, and *none* of the membership objected to
the charter that included the 'protected content' use-case. If OKFN wanted
to object, an easy way would be to join W3C and object. A petition will
have much less of an effect I think.

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Javier Creus
<javicreus at ideasforchange.com>wrote:

> hello,
>
> My humble opinion is that we are progressively moving from a copyright
> centric culture and business models to an open centric culture and economy.
>
> This is not a black or white alternatiive: not everything was protected
> when the open movement started and not everything will be open when the big
> cultural shift will be done.
>
> My belief is that our mission is warranting that things are "open by
> default" and making the case for the public and business value of open,
> rather than limiting choice and entering in a frontal battle
>
> thanks,
>
> javi
>
>
> 2013/5/16 Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>
>
>> FYI are already an organisational signatory to:
>>
>> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/sign-on-against-drm-in-html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15 May 2013 23:48, Pieter Colpaert <pieter.colpaert at okfn.org> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> Daniel +1 - We should take a public stance against DRM in HTML5 (and in
>>> general).
>>>
>>> I think it would be interesting to summarize this in 3 solid arguments +
>>> an alternative in a blog post on okfn.org. If there's a consent, I'm
>>> willing to give a kickstart to such a blog post.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Pieter
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Daniel Dietrich <
>>> daniel.dietrich at okfn.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Herrmann,
>>>>
>>>> I think the OKFN should publicly reject DRM in general and as a whole.
>>>> HTML5 is just one aspect of this battle.
>>>>
>>>> But thats just my humble opinion, interested to hear what other think.
>>>>
>>>> All best
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15 May 2013, at 23:08, Augusto Herrmann <augusto.herrmann at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Since the WWW 2013 conference is happening this week, and this issue
>>>> is in discussion there, I though this an opportune moment to revisit the
>>>> topic.
>>>> >
>>>> > Do you guys think the OKFn should publicly reject DRM as a whole, or
>>>> add to the campaign against it in HTML5, as the FSF and EFF have been
>>>> doing? Even a blog post discussing why this is bad for open knowledge could
>>>> be useful at this moment.
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > Augusto Herrmann
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Aaron Wolf <wolftune at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > yes, sorry about my typo. We're clear. Public endorsements of
>>>> negative things cause more harm than any potential upside of luring your
>>>> enemies into your camp or whatever.
>>>> >
>>>> > All political positions matter in terms of how they inspire others,
>>>> not just for the technical details.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Aaron Wolf
>>>> > wolftune.com
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Karsten Gerloff <
>>>> gerloff at fsfeurope.org> wrote:
>>>> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 01:06:04PM -0400, Aaron Wolf wrote:
>>>> > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Karsten Gerloff <
>>>> gerloff at fsfeurope.org>wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > Looking at the, ahem, "success" of
>>>> > > > technologies such as Flash and Silverlight, they're welcome to
>>>> > > > try.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I must say, I know this is just a turn of phrase, but they are NOT
>>>> welcome
>>>> > > to try more of this. We need to keep working to have a culture that
>>>> shames
>>>> > > these attempts even when they are failed attempts.
>>>> >
>>>> > I fully agree.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > And that said, the idea of TBL endorsing DRM is destructive.
>>>> Whether it
>>>> > > possibly has any utility in bringing the systems to light where
>>>> they can be
>>>> > > rejected, if the goal of rejection isn't PUBLIC then it's bad for
>>>> the
>>>> > > culture. We can have respectable people telling the culture to
>>>> respect DRM.
>>>> >
>>>> > s/can/can't, right?
>>>> >
>>>> > > This is a cultural battle more than a technological one.
>>>> >
>>>> > Quite so. If Tim Berners-Lee has a strategy here, I hope it's a
>>>> > very good one. But I doubt it.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Best regards,
>>>> > Karsten
>>>> > --
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>>>> >
>>>> >
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