[okfn-discuss] Live Webcast - Personal Democracy Forum 2014 - Save the Internet, The Internet Saves

Sat Jun 7 04:17:06 UTC 2014

I intend to give Steven's reply more attention later, but I have two basic
thoughts:

1. I fully agree that pragmatism should be valued.

2. I think serious compromises should require apology.

In other words, if the decision is that using Facebook is the best
strategy, fine. Just accept the responsibility to apologize for it. Don't
expect people to think it's fine. Don't present it as though it is fine.
Present it as an acknowledged compromise.

Respectfully,
Aaron

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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:21 PM, heath rezabek <heath.rezabek at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Stef -
>
> I think what Steven's trying to say, is that those who would seek to bring
> about a change in the way things are... must be at least fluent in
> communicating via the way things are, regardless of other more ideal forms
> of communication they use. Otherwise, they'll never reach those who are
> just communicating via the way things are, unaware that things could ever
> be (or ever have been) any different.
>
> Perhaps OKF needs to launch a no-traces saved, animated-gif based
> messaging app.   ^_-
>
> - Heath
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:20 PM, stef <s at ctrlc.hu> wrote:
>
>> howdy,
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 06, 2014 at 01:00:08PM -0500, Steven Clift wrote:
>> > Yes, very independent. Is Facebook more evil than Twitter in your view??
>>
>> i must admit i failed at the twitter thing. and i feel extremely
>> uncomfortable.
>>
>> > But here is my take - after 20 years of promoting and using open
>> > source to feed my Democracies Online Newswire - http://dowire.org -
>> > http://e-democracy.org/groupserver - IF we want to connect to the next
>> > generation of emerging wired elected officials we must reach them
>> > where they are online.
>> >
>> > In MN we have 30 something new elected officials essentially
>> > "friending" their way to office.
>>
>> i think this is very bad. as facebook is not a neutral player, for
>> example max
>> schrems book about facebooks privacy violations was blocked by facebook:
>> https://twitter.com/maxschrems/status/474145647147646976
>>
>> the filterbubble, not a good thing either for democracy.
>>
>> being vendor locked-in into a dominant market player that is directly
>> under
>> the influence of a state level actor cannot be considered something
>> positive.
>>
>> s
>>
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