[okfn-discuss] Next steps on the Open Knowledge Tagline

Tue Jun 17 17:46:51 UTC 2014

"Lets make Open change the world"


2014-06-17 19:38 GMT+02:00 heath rezabek <heath.rezabek at gmail.com>:

> Going from that idea of active voice, combined with
> audience/setting-responsive focus word, (data, science, art, etc) the
> variant occurred to me..:
>
> The Future of Science is Ours to Open.
>
> The Future of Culture is Ours to Open.
>
> The Future of Data is Ours to Open.
>
> etc.
>
>
> - h
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Aaron Wolf <wolftune at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If it had been flexible and all-encompassing initially, I might never
>> have complained. But since we're discussing it, "see" is still too passive.
>> It isn't "help" or "open" as a verb or any other call to action. "See" just
>> says, "stand back and watch".
>>
>> But really, I would not have bothered making much of this if not for the
>> strange narrowing of the "data" focus.
>>
>> --
>> Aaron Wolf
>> wolftune.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To add here I'd assumed that we'd leverage the opportunity to vary the
>>> "see how" stuff e.g. you could vary it to:
>>>
>>> "see how open culture can change the world"
>>> "see how open science can change the world"
>>> "see how X can change the world"
>>>
>>> Let me re-iterate I'm not super-advocating this option but indicating
>>> the potential and trying to avoid (too much) hangup on the "data" point :-)
>>>
>>> Generally great to see the rich conversation here and keep the points
>>> coming!
>>>
>>> Rufus
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 June 2014 16:51, Javier Creus <javicreus at ideasforchange.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I am afraid as well that "data" is not everything worth to be open.
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion Tesla's movement to share its patents with anyone is part
>>>> of the Open movement, even if it is not strictly data and if it doesn't
>>>> fully embrace the open knowledge definition.  It's about "openess"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> javi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-06-17 15:48 GMT+02:00 Aaron Wolf <wolftune at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> I'll be *this* bold (and it's totally honest!). I *love *the Public
>>>>> Domain review! And with the new logo and tagline and all this discussion, I
>>>>> *literally* forgot that the PDR was an OK project. I actually was
>>>>> trying to remember if OK had anything to do with culture and art or if it
>>>>> was a false impression.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I could, I'd propose a plain old *veto* of the "See how data"
>>>>> tagline. I'm honestly thinking like "holy moly, how could I forget the
>>>>> PDR!" But the whole rebranding seems to have nothing to do with it and
>>>>> seems to be a totally different organization…
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you could read a lot of different emotion behind this text, but
>>>>> I'm truly more surprised and baffled than anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Aaron
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Aaron Wolf
>>>>> wolftune.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Andrew Gray <andrew at generalist.org.uk
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 June 2014 17:31, Aaron Wolf <wolftune at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > Thanks, Rufus. I agree. The concern was initially about potential
>>>>>> shift in
>>>>>> > focus and concern about inclusion of the community in the decisions.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > To be clear, I always thought it was great that lots of Open Data
>>>>>> stuff was
>>>>>> > happening, but I saw "Open Knowledge" as basically including "Free
>>>>>> Culture",
>>>>>> > and when I think of stuff cultural works like music and art, I see
>>>>>> zero
>>>>>> > place for that in "See how data can change the world". And I think
>>>>>> that will
>>>>>> > remain the case for everyone who ever sees that tagline. Nobody
>>>>>> will ever
>>>>>> > see that tagline and think OK has anything directly to do with
>>>>>> free/open
>>>>>> > art.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Piping up from the background... I felt somewhat uncomfortable about
>>>>>> the "data can change the world" idea, and I think this is a key point.
>>>>>> It's certainly true to say "yes, of course, it encompasses cultural
>>>>>> things as well, regardless of the tagline"... but that doesn't help
>>>>>> someone who isn't familiar, doesn't already know that silent footnote,
>>>>>> and may well be put off engaging by the emphasis on something that, to
>>>>>> them, seems tangential.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To me, one of the best and most interesting things OKFN has done is
>>>>>> the Public Domain Review - which is a thousand miles from data.
>>>>>> Likewise, the whole OpenGLAM work has been very much content-oriented
>>>>>> (though data work plays a part). Neither of these are what you'd
>>>>>> expect from "see how data can change the world"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To go back to Rufus' comparisons, this is a bit like Greenpeace
>>>>>> deciding its tagline should be "caring for the whales". I mean, yes,
>>>>>> it's certainly correct, but it might also be a bit misleading ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Obligatory preference: "Open knowledge: open data, open minds",
>>>>>> without repetition, is quite neat at bridging the full range)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> - Andrew Gray
>>>>>>   andrew.gray at dunelm.org.uk
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