[OKFN-FR] [MyData & Open Data] Le rapport d'activités 2013 de la CNIL est en ligne

Mon May 19 17:18:04 UTC 2014

Thanks Javier for your insights, I also have the feeling that moral rights
on personal data, such as moral rights on cultural artworks, something nice
to think about in a theoretical and philosophical point of view, would be
very difficult to handle in real life. Such as the new EU rules on the
right to be forgotten.

i.e how you regulate moral rights on personal data? how do you define what
is the scope of your personal data/rights? how do you value moral rights on
personal data against other rights such as public interest, freedom of
speech? who would be the controller in charge?

Also moral rights in France is supposed to be perpetual, inalienable, and
imprescriptible ...

There is also the question with children's personal data?
How do they claim for their rights.

Looking forward to Minister's proposal details and inputs from others on
this.

Best
Pierre

On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Javier Ruiz <javier at openrightsgroup.org>wrote:

>  Some types of database and context have some moral rights but I am sure
> this is not what the minister has in mind.
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> Databases in Europe have several layers of intellectual property. The
> structure and compilation of the database can be protected by database
> right, protecting the investment not the originality, even if the
> contents themselves cannot be copyrighted (say because they are simple
> facts).
>
> You could also have copyright in the database as creative work. The
> typical example is a compilation of literary works requiring some form of
> judgement and skill, as opposed to some objective criteria like
> alphabetical order. This is difficult to prove but possible.
>
> And you could also have a database where the contents themselves were
> copyrighted as a creative work (the literary works in the compilation above
> would have their own copyright)
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> The moral rights of the author should apply wherever there is copyright.
>
> A moral right of sorts for data has been discussed in certain privacy
> circles as a theoretical possibility, but I cannot see how it could be
> implemented.
>
> It makes sense that people should be able to object to certain uses of
> their data. For example, I may want to donate my DNA for research but not
> for developing biological weapons. I can do this to a point with data
> protection, but once my data is “anonymised" I lose all control as it
> ceases to be “personal”.
>
> The head from CNIL makes a very interesting point in the article below on
> the monetisation of data: voluntary disclosure would remove data protection
> rights.
>
> Si on permet aux gens de vendre leurs données, alors ils perdront leurs
> droits dessus.
>
> But to use copyright to do protect moral rights on data is very
> problematic. I cannot copyright my DNA or my location trace, so you would
> need to create some completely new moral right disconnected from
> Intellectual Property.
>
> Maybe someone else has a clearer idea of how this could work.
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> --
> Javier Ruiz
> javier at openrightsgroup.org
> +44(0)7877 911 412
> @javierruiz
> www.OpenRightsGroup.org
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> On Monday, 19 May 2014 at 15:15, Pierre Chrzanowski wrote:
>
> Hi All, I just learned on the french okfn mailing list, that he Minister
> in charge of digital economy proposed to create a moral right on personal
> data, rather than the commercial author right some have proposed here in
> the country.
>
> Any other example, study where such a proposition has been made ?
>
> Best
>
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> 2014-05-19 15:44 GMT+02:00 Samuel Le Goff <samuel.legoff at yahoo.fr>:
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> sur les données personnelles, la piste la plus probable est l'instauration
> d'un droit moral, calqué sur ce qui existe en droit d'auteur.
> Chacun pourra ainsi avoir une prise sur l'usage qui est fait de ses
> données, sans pouvoir les vendre (le droit moral est lié à la personne et
> incessible).
>
> Montebourg en parlé la semaine dernière, lors d'un colloque.
>
> Samuel LG
>
>   Le Lundi 19 mai 2014 15h16, Pierre Chrzanowski <
> pierre.chrzanowski at okfn.fr> a écrit :
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> http://www.cnil.fr/linstitution/actualite/article/article/bilan-2013-la-protection-des-donnees-une-preoccupation-croissante-des-particuliers/
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> à lire également l'interview de sa Directrice dans le monde
>
> http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2014/05/19/isabelle-falque-pierrotin-je-ne-crois-pas-du-tout-a-la-fin-de-la-vie-privee_4420923_651865.html
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> On y apprends notamment que la CNIL s'opposera à l'instauration d'un droit
> d'auteur sur les données personnelles.
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> --
> *Pierre Chrzanowski*
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