[OKFN-FR] [MyData & Open Data] Le rapport d'activités 2013 de la CNIL est en ligne

Mon May 19 17:47:56 UTC 2014

Thanks, and my point being why introduce a moral right attached to personal
data, then complexity, in a debate which is not short on complexity already.

On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Javier Ruiz <javier at openrightsgroup.org>wrote:

>
> >
> > i.e how you regulate moral rights on personal data? how do you define
> what is the scope of your personal data/rights? how do you value moral
> rights on personal data against other rights such as public interest,
> freedom of speech? who would be the controller in charge?
>
> Just to clarify. A lot of this stuff is what data protection is all about,
> including the balancing.
>
> The question is how to do it with datasets that don't fall within data
> protection because they have been anonymised.
>
> Maybe there could be a specific right to object to anonymisation. But this
> would not help with objecting to further uses.
>
> In any case changing this right now is like turning a supertanker. Policy
> fiction genre.
>
> >
> > Also moral rights in France is supposed to be perpetual, inalienable,
> and imprescriptible ...
> >
> > There is also the question with children's personal data?
> > How do they claim for their rights.
>
> >
> > Looking forward to Minister's proposal details and inputs from others on
> this.
> >
> > Best
> > Pierre
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Javier Ruiz <javier at openrightsgroup.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Some types of database and context have some moral rights but I am sure
> this is not what the minister has in mind.
> >>
> >> Databases in Europe have several layers of intellectual property. The
> structure and compilation of the database can be protected by database
> right, protecting the investment not the originality, even if the contents
> themselves cannot be copyrighted (say because they are simple facts).
> >>
> >> You could also have copyright in the database as creative work. The
> typical example is a compilation of literary works requiring some form of
> judgement and skill, as opposed to some objective criteria like
> alphabetical order. This is difficult to prove but possible.
> >>
> >> And you could also have a database where the contents themselves were
> copyrighted as a creative work (the literary works in the compilation above
> would have their own copyright)
> >>
> >> The moral rights of the author should apply wherever there is copyright.
> >>
> >> A moral right of sorts for data has been discussed in certain privacy
> circles as a theoretical possibility, but I cannot see how it could be
> implemented.
> >>
> >> It makes sense that people should be able to object to certain uses of
> their data. For example, I may want to donate my DNA for research but not
> for developing biological weapons. I can do this to a point with data
> protection, but once my data is “anonymised" I lose all control as it
> ceases to be “personal”.
> >>
> >> The head from CNIL makes a very interesting point in the article below
> on the monetisation of data: voluntary disclosure would remove data
> protection rights.
> >>
> >> Si on permet aux gens de vendre leurs données, alors ils perdront leurs
> droits dessus.
> >>
> >> But to use copyright to do protect moral rights on data is very
> problematic. I cannot copyright my DNA or my location trace, so you would
> need to create some completely new moral right disconnected from
> Intellectual Property.
> >>
> >> Maybe someone else has a clearer idea of how this could work.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Javier Ruiz
> >> javier at openrightsgroup.org
> >> +44(0)7877 911 412
> >> @javierruiz
> >> www.OpenRightsGroup.org
> >>
> >> On Monday, 19 May 2014 at 15:15, Pierre Chrzanowski wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi All, I just learned on the french okfn mailing list, that he
> Minister in charge of digital economy proposed to create a moral right on
> personal data, rather than the commercial author right some have proposed
> here in the country.
> >>>
> >>> Any other example, study where such a proposition has been made ?
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2014-05-19 15:44 GMT+02:00 Samuel Le Goff <samuel.legoff at yahoo.fr>:
> >>>>
> >>>> sur les données personnelles, la piste la plus probable est
> l'instauration d'un droit moral, calqué sur ce qui existe en droit d'auteur.
> >>>> Chacun pourra ainsi avoir une prise sur l'usage qui est fait de ses
> données, sans pouvoir les vendre (le droit moral est lié à la personne et
> incessible).
> >>>>
> >>>> Montebourg en parlé la semaine dernière, lors d'un colloque.
> >>>>
> >>>> Samuel LG
> >>>>
> >>>> Le Lundi 19 mai 2014 15h16, Pierre Chrzanowski <
> pierre.chrzanowski at okfn.fr> a écrit :
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://www.cnil.fr/linstitution/actualite/article/article/bilan-2013-la-protection-des-donnees-une-preoccupation-croissante-des-particuliers/
> >>>>
> >>>> à lire également l'interview de sa Directrice dans le monde
> >>>>
> http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2014/05/19/isabelle-falque-pierrotin-je-ne-crois-pas-du-tout-a-la-fin-de-la-vie-privee_4420923_651865.html
> >>>>
> >>>> On y apprends notamment que la CNIL s'opposera à l'instauration d'un
> droit d'auteur sur les données personnelles.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Pierre Chrzanowski
> >>>> Open Knowledge Foundation France
> >>>>
> >>>> Mail : pierre.chrzanowski at okfn.fr
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> >>> Pierre Chrzanowski
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> >>>
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> > --
> > Pierre Chrzanowski
> > Expert Open Data
> >
> > Mail : pierre.chrzanowski at gmail.com
> > Skype : pierre.chrzanowski | Twitter : @pzwsk
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