[okfn-hu] Planning for open data workshop in Budapest, 20th May

Tue May 3 18:51:41 UTC 2011

Hello,

I am wondering the good stuff, that can give birth this conversation. At
least, Peter started to put his thoughts on the etherpad...
Slowly, we are realizing, who is here. It is obviously a strange situation,
when we use English to communicate in our country, between ourselves...
Anyhow, the date is approaching, and as far as I know, we have a really
loose agenda, even according to barcamps/sicamps whatever..

I also agree, that there are several factors around this story, which are
not trust strenghtening...
I think, there is an information gap, between invited NGO players (who has
attended to the Budapest Workshop) and "not-invited" users of this list.
This is not really healty. How to balance this?

I think the web offers a lot to facilitate collaboration, before personal
meeting -this is one of it's biggest strenght. However, without know who is
here on this list, is like sitting in a dark room, and trying to find out,
who is there..

So, lights up! Who is here? All of us who is here will come to the event?

One of my small ideas is to continue the open data film, with some Hungarian
focus.
Ideally, I would like to have a corner, where we can record our opinion,
about some open data issues.
At the end of  the day, we will find ourselves, that cooperation offers much
better possibilities - than going for the "one" alone.
I think one of the core issues is, if we can find the common ground for
common action.

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2011/5/3 Peter Gervai <grinapo at gmail.com>

> Jonathan,
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 01:57, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>
> wrote:
>
> > "I am pretty much against listing "open data" with "unknown license".
> [...]
>
> > A little while back we hacked together a basic web service to help
> > people make (and log) enquiries about whether or not a given dataset
> > is open as in opendefintion.org. We also list this kind of information
> > on CKAN.net (which powers data.gov.uk and over 30+ data catalogues
> > around the world).
>
> Yes, that's what I'm talking about. I have checked 5 random listed
> data sources where the data have already been scraped or copied. NONE
> of them provided any information about the legal status of the data,
> or the license. That's 100%. Last time I have checked the entries
> about Hungary, and the result was the same: none of the entries
> contained any information about license or legal status. Obviously I
> could go on checking the entries until I find at least one which is
> actually free, but you see my point I reckon.
>
> This list is, as it is, useless for me. Most of them not even telling
> the proper source so I cannot even verify myself the legal status, not
> that it would be possible for a foreign countries' gov't data...
>
> > As you've been involved in Open Street Map in Hungary - I wonder if
> > you know of cases where Hungarian public bodies have co-operated with
> > OSM to openly license public geospatial datasets?
>
> Yes, definitely. And companies. I can tell you examples but I only
> remember a few specific one, like the Romanian company Norc ( norc.hu
> / norc.ro / norc.cz ....) which offered all their GPS tracks (very
> detailed street-level city surveys) for OSM. There are public
> geospatial data offered, like a few cities' local government actually
> specified free copyright on digital map data. There are public data
> available, too, which was imported into OSM (some raiway maps and I
> believe some water maps). And there are EU-level geospatial data
> providers who offer their data under free licenses. And an obvious
> honorable mention is Yahoo! Maps and microsoft Bing who allow manual
> tracking of their satellite data.
>
> --
>  byte-byte,
>     grin
>
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