[okfn-hu] Planning for open data workshop in Budapest, 20th May

Tue May 3 23:47:27 UTC 2011

Just to clarify: with an unconference/barcamp - the whole point is that you
don't have an agenda before the event! I hope the event will be somewhere in
between an unconference and a hackday:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack_Day

In any case we definitely shouldn't worry too much about this!

All: it would be great if you could continue to add your ideas about what
you'd like to make or do. This is your chance to say what you're dream day /
agenda what would look like. ;-)

http://hu.okfnpad.org/budapest-20110520

If we have an idea of what kinds of things people want to develop - then
perhaps we can do a bit of homework beforehand...

All the best,

Jonathan

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Csaba Madarász <madarasz.csaba at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am wondering the good stuff, that can give birth this conversation. At
> least, Peter started to put his thoughts on the etherpad...
> Slowly, we are realizing, who is here. It is obviously a strange situation,
> when we use English to communicate in our country, between ourselves...
> Anyhow, the date is approaching, and as far as I know, we have a really
> loose agenda, even according to barcamps/sicamps whatever..
>
> I also agree, that there are several factors around this story, which are
> not trust strenghtening...
> I think, there is an information gap, between invited NGO players (who has
> attended to the Budapest Workshop) and "not-invited" users of this list.
> This is not really healty. How to balance this?
>
> I think the web offers a lot to facilitate collaboration, before personal
> meeting -this is one of it's biggest strenght. However, without know who is
> here on this list, is like sitting in a dark room, and trying to find out,
> who is there..
>
> So, lights up! Who is here? All of us who is here will come to the event?
>
> One of my small ideas is to continue the open data film, with some
> Hungarian focus.
> Ideally, I would like to have a corner, where we can record our opinion,
> about some open data issues.
> At the end of  the day, we will find ourselves, that cooperation offers
> much better possibilities - than going for the "one" alone.
> I think one of the core issues is, if we can find the common ground for
> common action.
>
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> 2011/5/3 Peter Gervai <grinapo at gmail.com>
>
>> Jonathan,
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 01:57, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > "I am pretty much against listing "open data" with "unknown license".
>> [...]
>>
>> > A little while back we hacked together a basic web service to help
>> > people make (and log) enquiries about whether or not a given dataset
>> > is open as in opendefintion.org. We also list this kind of information
>> > on CKAN.net (which powers data.gov.uk and over 30+ data catalogues
>> > around the world).
>>
>> Yes, that's what I'm talking about. I have checked 5 random listed
>> data sources where the data have already been scraped or copied. NONE
>> of them provided any information about the legal status of the data,
>> or the license. That's 100%. Last time I have checked the entries
>> about Hungary, and the result was the same: none of the entries
>> contained any information about license or legal status. Obviously I
>> could go on checking the entries until I find at least one which is
>> actually free, but you see my point I reckon.
>>
>> This list is, as it is, useless for me. Most of them not even telling
>> the proper source so I cannot even verify myself the legal status, not
>> that it would be possible for a foreign countries' gov't data...
>>
>> > As you've been involved in Open Street Map in Hungary - I wonder if
>> > you know of cases where Hungarian public bodies have co-operated with
>> > OSM to openly license public geospatial datasets?
>>
>> Yes, definitely. And companies. I can tell you examples but I only
>> remember a few specific one, like the Romanian company Norc ( norc.hu
>> / norc.ro / norc.cz ....) which offered all their GPS tracks (very
>> detailed street-level city surveys) for OSM. There are public
>> geospatial data offered, like a few cities' local government actually
>> specified free copyright on digital map data. There are public data
>> available, too, which was imported into OSM (some raiway maps and I
>> believe some water maps). And there are EU-level geospatial data
>> providers who offer their data under free licenses. And an obvious
>> honorable mention is Yahoo! Maps and microsoft Bing who allow manual
>> tracking of their satellite data.
>>
>> --
>>  byte-byte,
>>     grin
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