[okfn-hu] public code for government transparency

Thu May 12 11:14:46 UTC 2011

2011/5/12 Gabriella Ivacs <Ivacsg at ceu.hu>:
> Thanks, Miklós,  this makes sense.
> "in phase two the really interesting part will be when we'll include
> fetched public procurement transaction information as relationships
> (lines) between the actors with actual transaction values in forint or
> other currency."
>  According to the latest news, see the March 25 Government Decree, public
> procurement  data will be classified if  state security applies,  I wonder
> how this  will effect  the quantity of accessible data?

http://kozlony.magyarorszag.hu/pdf/8667
as far as i saw this does not change anything. it says that there is a
new authority that has to approve all the procurements.

where state security applies these data are classified already since
ever maybe :)

>
> Cheers,
>
> Gabriella
>
> .
>
>
>
>>>> Béky Miklós<miklos.beky at gmail.com> 5/11/2011 11:48 AM >>>
> Dear Gabrialle,
>
> regarding full datasets: when we started to fetch more historical
> data, the result was that almost everyone is connected to everyone :)
> seriously: the number of relationships grow exponentially compared to
> the amount of source data, and from press data we've got a lot, that
> why we decided to track only actual infos and not all historical data
> for years.
>
> nodes are: people, organizations, litigations represented by different
> shapes (cirlces, squares, traingles). relationships between them are
> represented by lines. the thickness of the lines show the weight of
> the given relationship (litigations could be attached to several kind
> of relationships, but there is no data in, so you won't see it.)
>
> it is possible to setup any kind of one- or two-way relationship
> between the actors (people and people, orgs and orgs and of cource
> orgs and people. If the system finds overlaps (trivia: if two people
> as employees worked at the same time at the same org, then they are
> "colleagues" that will be automatically discovered) then it builds
> these calculated relationships too giving them the average weigth of
> the source relationships' weight.
>
> currently the system fetches press info from k-monitor.hu hourly,
> based on that the system shows the relationships and the map of the
> actors as it could bee seen from the press.
>
> in phase two the really interesting part will be when we'll include
> fetched public procurement transaction information as relationships
> (lines) between the actors with actual transaction values in forint or
> other currency.
>
> the types of the relationships are written on the lines themselves.
>
> the weight info of the sources and types of relationships will be
> possibly eliminated at the beginning (that means set to 1) since
> analyzers suggested that they could possibly work better with raw
> data. We'll see, we need more manual data to decide.
>
> i don't know what further general analytical tools would be useful, we
> will definitely need filtering options on the visualization to show
> less and selected data on the graph
>
> did I answer all your questions?
>
> greets,
> Miklós
>
>
>
> 2011/5/10 Gabriella Ivacs <ivacsg at ceu.hu>:
>> Dear Miklos,
>>
>> this is great, can you show us a mock-up how does this work on full data
>> sets? I tried  to understand that the logic of the visualization, how do
>> you
>> represent that different types of relationship, hierarchy, nodes? Can you
>> show the provenance of the information , levels of trustworthiness via
>> ranking may be?
>> are there other analytical functions besides the map?
>>
>> thanks, Gabriella
>>
>>>>> Béky Miklós<miklos.beky at gmail.com> 05/10/11 9:10 PM >>>
>> 2011/5/10 stef <stefan.marsiske at gmail.com>:
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 12:04:05PM +0200, Béky Miklós wrote:
>>>> We just made available the source code for hazaitop phase one, or the
>>>> so called k-monitor's Who Is Who project under CC BY-SA:
>>>> http://github.com/ikko/hazaitop
>>>
>>> awesome!!! except, the CC is not for software, afaik this is a webservice
>>> so
>>> i'd advise considering the AGPLv3.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License
>>> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl.html
>>
>> thank you :) i will read them through
>>
>>>
>>>> I know it's not data, it's processing, however it may be related to
>>>> this list, especially if this project could be localized within other
>>>> EU countries or possibly anywhere else in the world.
>>>>
>>>> Should you know anyone who could be interested in pushing this
>>>> forward, please let me know!
>>>
>>> is there a short english pitch what hazaitop is and does?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, there is:
>>
>> Major anti-corruption NGOs of Hungary, HCLU, K-Monitor and
>> Transparency International Hungary have decided to develop a database
>> that makes the elite’s networks and the spending of taxpayer’s money
>> transparent, easily searchable and analyzable. The database will
>> spread information about the winners of public procurements and other
>> tenders (EU and national funds), and presents to the public who are
>> behind these companies and what are the relationships between them.
>>
>> Based on the idea of popular community sites, the project intends to
>> elaborate the first electronic „who is who” and network map of the
>> Hungarian policy-making and economic elite, and make a research based
>> on the received information. We intend to develop a new site and
>> database that contains all the necessary and relevant information
>> about Hungarian politicians, policy-makers, business people and
>> companies as well as the connections and transactions between them.
>> The three NGOs intend to make a database and a network map that makes
>> decisions of public bodies on various alternatives of law-making,
>> granting public procurements, tenders, and privatization procedures
>> searchable, analyzable and transparent.
>>
>>
>>
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