[okfn-labs] okfn-labs Digest, Vol 52, Issue 14

Sun May 17 17:24:35 UTC 2015

HI Folks, I cannot agree with Adeyemo more. Humanitarian OpenStreetMap
Team's community is very much encountering some of these topics with
Missing Maps and other projects.

Thank you for investigating and know that we would very much like to keep
up the conversations. If the map and location is guided by local language,
local knowledge and local culture, this can only improve all the
experiences.

heather

Heather Leson
heather at textontechs.com
Twitter: HeatherLeson
Blog: textontechs.com

On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 5:09 PM, ADEYEMO AYODELE OBA <christad92 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> This thread as much as it seems compelling in terms if its impact to save
> the 75% of the world (approximately 4 billion people across communities),
> we have a good drive and it is very achievable.
>
> From prior experiences working with GIS as a daily tool, there are
> different geolocating / address systems which have been implemented and
> have guided the development patterns in most advanced communities. How do
> we make others comply to this?
>
> Do we institute a new addressing system for the open culture?
> Forcefully impose those address schemes on underdeveloped worlds?
>
> Even when we institute a new address system how do we control
> interoperability concerns?
>
> We need to understand the possible things.
>
> Finally, all that matter in everything is this Location, Location and
> Location. We need to care about it.
>
> Thanks trio,
>
> Ayodele Oba ADEYEMO
> Geogeek, GIS and Mapping Expert, Data Analyst
> Open Data Advocate
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>>    1. Re: opening up what3words (trio)
>>    2. Re: opening up what3words (willi uebelherr)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 22:57:20 +0000
>> From: trio <trio at esperanto.org>
>> To: okfn-labs <okfn-labs at lists.okfn.org>
>> Subject: Re: [okfn-labs] opening up what3words
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>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 7:02 PM, willi uebelherr
>> <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Am 15-May-15 um 07:55 schrieb stef:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:26:27PM +0200, Ingmar Schlecht wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I have to say I find the basic idea of what3words rather pointless.
>> Why
>> >>> would you want an address scheme from which you can't draw any
>> conclusion
>> >>> at
>> >>> all regarding its location by just looking at it.
>>
>>    According to http://what3words.com/about/ :
>> -=-=-
>> Why is it important?
>>
>> Around 75% of the world (135 countries) suffers from inconsistent,
>> complicated or inadequate addressing systems.
>>
>> This means that around 4 billion people are invisible; unable to
>> report crime; unable to get deliveries or receive aid; and unable to
>> exercise many of their rights as citizens because they simply have no
>> way to communicate where they live.
>>
>> For example, it means that in remote locations water facilities can?t
>> be found, monitored and fixed; and schools, refugee camps and informal
>> settlements remain unaddressed.
>>
>> Even in countries with advanced address systems, people get lost,
>> packages aren?t delivered, and businesses and tourist attractions
>> don?t get found.
>>
>> Poor addressing might seem no more than annoying in some countries,
>> but around the world it hampers the growth and development of nations,
>> ultimately costing lives.
>>
>> We want to give everyone in the world the ability to talk about a
>> precise location as easily as possible.
>>
>> Everyone and everywhere now has an address.
>> -=-=-
>>
>>    Perhaps i've just been attracted to their propaganda that makes it
>> sound like they could "save lives"? I first thought it made sense, but
>> your arguments against it are persuading me to the opposite
>> conclusion.
>>
>>    If one lives in a place where they don't have a serious address,
>> are they going to have enough infrastructure to say "please send my
>> solar panel to up.creek.paddle" instead of "... to the cabin up the
>> hill from the place where the river turns northward, after the big
>> waterfall"? Do i need a precise location under those circumstances?
>> Will an ambulance come to ran.off.road more easily than GPS
>> coordinates where someone found a broken down automobile?
>>
>>    I think i first was tempted by the project because it seems so
>> easily copied by an Open system. But, if it's not worth doing... thank
>> you for saving us the trouble of building it. :)
>>
>> --
>> universero trio
>> Esperanto, The International Language! What's that? See
>> http://Esperanto.Org
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 20:22:25 -0300
>> From: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com>
>> To: okfn-labs <okfn-labs at lists.okfn.org>
>> Subject: Re: [okfn-labs] opening up what3words
>> Message-ID: <5557D131.4010001 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
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>>
>> Dear Trio,
>>
>> i agree absolutly with your intention and how you describe the reality.
>> But many of that, what you explain, we can't change it with the address
>> maping in a computer.
>>
>> The first is, that all people in the world have a free and unlimited
>> access to the technical systems for communication. Then, and only then,
>> they can communicate with us. And we with them. This is the immaterial
>> transport system. It is easier to build.
>>
>> The material transport system is more complicated. But, of course, also
>> very important.
>>
>> All people have an address. Never we live in a virtual environment. The
>> textual descripton helps us, to find the coordinate in the geodetic
>> system. As the WC84 (GPS, OpenStreetmap, Gmap) or similar.
>>
>> I think, in the textual description we should use and see the
>> geographical relations. This helps us for an easier orientation.
>>
>> many greetings, willi
>> Cordoba, Argentina
>>
>>
>> Am 16-May-15 um 19:57 schrieb trio:
>> > ...
>> > Why is it important?
>> >
>> > Around 75% of the world (135 countries) suffers from inconsistent,
>> > complicated or inadequate addressing systems.
>> >
>> > This means that around 4 billion people are invisible; unable to
>> > report crime; unable to get deliveries or receive aid; and unable to
>> > exercise many of their rights as citizens because they simply have no
>> > way to communicate where they live.
>> >
>> > For example, it means that in remote locations water facilities can?t
>> > be found, monitored and fixed; and schools, refugee camps and informal
>> > settlements remain unaddressed.
>> >
>> > Even in countries with advanced address systems, people get lost,
>> > packages aren?t delivered, and businesses and tourist attractions
>> > don?t get found.
>> >
>> > Poor addressing might seem no more than annoying in some countries,
>> > but around the world it hampers the growth and development of nations,
>> > ultimately costing lives.
>> >
>> > We want to give everyone in the world the ability to talk about a
>> > precise location as easily as possible.
>> >
>> > Everyone and everywhere now has an address.
>> > -=-=-
>> >
>> >     Perhaps i've just been attracted to their propaganda that makes it
>> > sound like they could "save lives"? I first thought it made sense, but
>> > your arguments against it are persuading me to the opposite
>> > conclusion.
>> >
>> >     If one lives in a place where they don't have a serious address,
>> > are they going to have enough infrastructure to say "please send my
>> > solar panel to up.creek.paddle" instead of "... to the cabin up the
>> > hill from the place where the river turns northward, after the big
>> > waterfall"? Do i need a precise location under those circumstances?
>> > Will an ambulance come to ran.off.road more easily than GPS
>> > coordinates where someone found a broken down automobile?
>> >
>> >     I think i first was tempted by the project because it seems so
>> > easily copied by an Open system. But, if it's not worth doing... thank
>> > you for saving us the trouble of building it. :)
>> >
>>
>>
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