[OKFN-NL] [OpenSpending] €278bn through shell companies in Netherlands

Thu Jun 20 19:52:26 UTC 2013

Not sure how many missing. The main problem is keeping it up to date, which
is tricky, even with crowdsourcing. However, yes, we could do this to make
a point ;-)

On 20 June 2013 19:08, Sam Smith <s at msmith.net> wrote:

> how many are missing?
>
> that sounds like an application of crowdsourcing by one of hte
> anti-tax-avoidance groups with a large mailing list
>
>
>
> Sam
>
> On 20 Jun 2013, at 18:16, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org> wrote:
>
> > Some further info from Chris...
> >
> > On 20 June 2013 17:14, Chris Taggart <chris.taggart at opencorporates.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> The biggest issue with the Netherlands (and this might be something the
> >> Dutch press want to pick up on) is the closed nature of the Dutch
> Chamber
> >> of Commerce. Not only do they score badly on the Open Company Data
> Index<http://registries.opencorporates.com/jurisdiction/nl>,
> >> they also block the IP address of anyone who tries to scrape the data,
> >> including, I believe possibly OpenKVK, from whom we get the data. This
> is
> >> clearly the opposite of being open, and tends to incline one that they
> >> would rather the information wasn't reused, as it would lend support to
> >> stories such as this.
> >>
> >> We do have the vast majority of NL companies (though some we have
> >> relatively little data on). Increasingly we are mapping other data to
> it,
> >> and so are closing in on the situation.
> >> Chris
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> >>
> >> On 20 June 2013 14:13, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Chris: could you shed any light on this?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 20 June 2013 14:58, Anders Pedersen <anders.pedersen at okfn.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks Jonathan,
> >>>>
> >>>> From the article:
> >>>> "12,000 multinational holding companies, of which 75% are based at
> >>>> trust offices"
> >>>>
> >>>> It would be interesting to map the density of the trust offices across
> >>>> the country. As we can pull Dutch company data including addresses
> from
> >>>> Opencorporates and as the Dutch postal codes are very small entities,
> it
> >>>> should be possible to map this.
> >>>>
> >>>> When it comes to access to corporate financial data in NL, things are,
> >>>> as far as I know, much more complicated. Opencorporates is pulling
> >>>> information from the Securities and Exchange Commission, SEC (US) and
> this
> >>>> could possibly be one of the best sources of Dutch corporate financial
> >>>> information at the moment.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anders
> >>>>
> >>>> On 20 June 2013 07:46, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Apparently "€278bn flow through shell companies based in the
> >>>>> Netherlands every year". [1]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wonder if this is something that any OpenSpending folks in NL have
> >>>>> looked into?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All the best,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jonathan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1]
> >>>>>
> http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2013/06/the_netherlands_is_not_a_tax_h.php
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