[OKFN-NL] [OpenSpending] €278bn through shell companies in Netherlands

Thu Jun 20 18:08:14 UTC 2013

how many are missing?

that sounds like an application of crowdsourcing by one of hte anti-tax-avoidance groups with a large mailing list

Sam

On 20 Jun 2013, at 18:16, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org> wrote:

> Some further info from Chris...
> 
> On 20 June 2013 17:14, Chris Taggart <chris.taggart at opencorporates.com>wrote:
> 
>> The biggest issue with the Netherlands (and this might be something the
>> Dutch press want to pick up on) is the closed nature of the Dutch Chamber
>> of Commerce. Not only do they score badly on the Open Company Data Index<http://registries.opencorporates.com/jurisdiction/nl>,
>> they also block the IP address of anyone who tries to scrape the data,
>> including, I believe possibly OpenKVK, from whom we get the data. This is
>> clearly the opposite of being open, and tends to incline one that they
>> would rather the information wasn't reused, as it would lend support to
>> stories such as this.
>> 
>> We do have the vast majority of NL companies (though some we have
>> relatively little data on). Increasingly we are mapping other data to it,
>> and so are closing in on the situation.
>> Chris
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>> On 20 June 2013 14:13, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Chris: could you shed any light on this?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 20 June 2013 14:58, Anders Pedersen <anders.pedersen at okfn.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks Jonathan,
>>>> 
>>>> From the article:
>>>> "12,000 multinational holding companies, of which 75% are based at
>>>> trust offices"
>>>> 
>>>> It would be interesting to map the density of the trust offices across
>>>> the country. As we can pull Dutch company data including addresses from
>>>> Opencorporates and as the Dutch postal codes are very small entities, it
>>>> should be possible to map this.
>>>> 
>>>> When it comes to access to corporate financial data in NL, things are,
>>>> as far as I know, much more complicated. Opencorporates is pulling
>>>> information from the Securities and Exchange Commission, SEC (US) and this
>>>> could possibly be one of the best sources of Dutch corporate financial
>>>> information at the moment.
>>>> 
>>>> Anders
>>>> 
>>>> On 20 June 2013 07:46, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Apparently "€278bn flow through shell companies based in the
>>>>> Netherlands every year". [1]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wonder if this is something that any OpenSpending folks in NL have
>>>>> looked into?
>>>>> 
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>> 
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2013/06/the_netherlands_is_not_a_tax_h.php
>>>>> 
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