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This is a very useful discussion. I am some others are particularly concern=
ed with scholarly publication and so i'll move that discussion to the o=
pen-access list<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 12=
:10 AM, Kim Tucker <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:kctucker at gmail.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">kctucker at gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Chris and all,<br>
<br>
Libre means free as in freedom.<br>
<br>
The definition is well established and may be found at:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://freedomdefined.org/Definition" target=3D"_blank">http://f=
reedomdefined.org/Definition</a><br>
<br>
and in the context of libre knowledge:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://wikieducator.org/Declaration_on_libre_knowledge" target=
=3D"_blank">http://wikieducator.org/Declaration_on_libre_knowledge</a><br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libre_Knowledge" target=3D"_blank">=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libre_Knowledge</a><br>
<br>
As you know, these definitions are rooted in the free software definition:<=
br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html</a><br>
<br>
A libre resource either complies with the definition or it doesn't.<br>
There is no "semi-libre" (the FSF dropped that term "semi-fr=
ee" some<br>
time ago and the libre knowledge communities I know have never used<br>
it).<br></blockquote><div><br>Unfortunately that is not true in the "O=
pen Access" scholarly publishing world where "open" can mean=
almost anything and where "libre" also has many meanings. The us=
age is laid out by Peter Suber [copied, and on OKF advisory board] at:<br>
<a href=3D"http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/442-guid.html"=
target=3D"_blank">http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/442-gu=
id.html</a> <br><br><div style=3D"margin-left:40px"><i><p>Some observations=
[from Peter Suber]: <br>
</p>
</i><br><i> <ul><li>In April 2008, Stevan Harnad=20
and I proposed some terms to describe two kinds of free online access:=A0=
=20
the kind which removes price barriers alone and the kind which removes=20
price barriers and at least some permission barriers as well.=A0 The=20
distinction is fundamental and widely-recognized, but we saw right away=20
that our terms (<a href=3D"http://www.earlham.edu/%7Epeters/fos/2008/04/str=
ong-and-weak-oa.html" target=3D"_blank">weak OA and strong OA</a>)
were ill-chosen and we stopped using them.=A0 However, all of us who work
for OA and talk about OA still need vocabulary to describe this basic=20
distinction.=A0 The most neutral and descriptive terms I've been able t=
o=20
find so far are "gratis OA" and "libre OA", and I'v=
e decided use them=20
myself until I find better ones.=A0 This choice of terms is personal and=20
provisional.=A0 But to make it more effective, I wanted to explain it in=20
public.</li><li>"Gratis" and "libre" may not be familia=
r terms in=20
the domain of scholarly communication and OA.=A0 But in the neighboring=20
domain of free and open source software, they exactly <a href=3D"http://en.=
wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratis_versus_Libre" target=3D"_blank">express the disti=
nction</a> I have in=A0 mind. </li><li>[...]=A0 The gratis/libre distinctio=
n is about user
rights or freedoms.</li><li>[...]=A0 </li><li>Libre
OA includes or presupposes gratis OA.=A0 [...] </li><li>Because
there are many different permission barriers to remove, there many=20
different degrees or kinds of libre OA.=A0 Gratis OA is just one thing,=20
but libre OA is a <i>range</i> of things.=A0 </li><li>The <a href=3D"http:/=
/www.earlham.edu/%7Epeters/fos/overview.htm#definition" target=3D"_blank">B=
BB</a> definition describes one kind or subset of libre OA.=A0 But not all =
libre OA is BBB OA.=A0 </li>
<li>I'm=A0
not proposing a change in the BBB definition, and I haven't retreated=
=20
an inch in my support for it.=A0 I'm simply proposing vocabulary to hel=
p=20
us talk unambiguously about two species of free online access.</li></ul> <=
p>This blog post is just a sketch.=A0 For more detail, see the full SOAN <a=
href=3D"http://www.earlham.edu/%7Epeters/fos/newsletter/08-02-08.htm#grati=
s-libre" target=3D"_blank">article</a>. <br>
</p></i></div><i><p><br></p></i>PMR: The problem for me is that OA-libre ha=
s an indefinitely large range of meanings. The removal of a single "pe=
rmission barrier" can lead to libre. It is possible that libre grants =
no additional rights to the reader (it could be the permission for a librar=
y to make a copy for archival, for example).<br>
<br>I find this regrettable. The chance of converting the OA community to u=
se "libre" in its software sense is small. I have spent years try=
ing to make this point. The OA community generally is not interested in dis=
cussing licences and words are used for their advocacy and political role. =
This leads to publishers using terms such as "fully open access" =
to refer to articles where the reader has no explicit rights other than to =
read them. <br>
<br>For that reason I have been suggesting "BOAI-compliant OA" or=
similar. I'm happy to use BBB if people thing that's better. In th=
e OA world=A0 hundreds of millions of academic dollars are spent putting ma=
terial in repositories without clear terms of re-use. Where there are licen=
ces the vast majority are CC-NC or worse. 95% of "hybrid Gold OA"=
articles, with large authorside fees (1000-5000 USD), are not BBB-complian=
t. <br>
<br>Here's a new journal from two days ago "Chemistry Open": =
<a href=3D"http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1002/%28ISSN%292191-13=
63/">http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1002/%28ISSN%292191-1363/</a=
> It uses CC-NC, costs the author 2500 USD to publish and requires transfer=
of copyright to Wiley <br>
<br><a href=3D"http://media.wiley.com/assets/1540/98/ctavchglobal.pdf">http=
://media.wiley.com/assets/1540/98/ctavchglobal.pdf</a><br><br>Other restric=
tions are that every copy must point to the Wiley journal, that the author =
may not distribute their submitted version except to "colleagues"=
and much more.<br>
<br>Klaus, please do not read further - it will damage your health<br><br>F=
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most certainly have to pay Wiley. Wiley restricts the author from doing any=
thing with their own copyrighted versionn and takes 2500 USD off them.<br>
<br>And very few people care - who will challenge this other than me?<br><b=
r>-- <br>Peter Murray-Rust<br>Reader in Molecular Informatics<br>Unilever C=
entre, Dep. Of Chemistry<br>University of Cambridge<br>CB2 1EW, UK<br><a hr=
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