[Open-access] @ccess versus open access

[Mike Taylor]

That sounds very good to me.
-- Mike.



On 1 June 2012 15:10, Tom Olijhoek <tom.olijhoek at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Mike and others,
>
> I see your point of having a single def and a single place to look for it.
> I theredore agree to change from @ccess to BOAI compliant open access (I am
> still not very happy with this term, wish there were something better).
> Because I still think we have to somehow acknowledge the contributions of
> the Bethesda and especially the Berlin Series of conferences, we could just
> put a description on our website to this extent:; like:        for those
> cases not covered in the BOAI definition and for updates and extensions on
> the original BOAI descriptions we refer to the Bethesda Declaration and the
> Declarations of the continuing Berlin Series of Conferences on open access.
>
> cheers
>
> TOM
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Mike Taylor <mike at indexdata.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 1 June 2012 12:26, Tom Olijhoek <tom.olijhoek at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I am not completely in agreement with the reasoning for wanting "BOAI
>> > compliant open access" as the choice term.
>> >
>> > My most important objection is that the Berlin declaration added
>> > description
>> > of open access to data and metadata which as far as I can see were not
>> > included in Budapest Decl which focussed on scholarly publications.
>>
>> That is an important issue, for sure.
>>
>> I am not 100% sure that it's the SAME important issue, though.
>>
>> > The
>> > Bethesda declaration was strong on the use of open access publication
>> > records of scientists for appointments:
>>
>> I am VERY strongly in favour of that!
>>
>> But it has no place in a *definition* of what Open Access means, which
>> is really what we're dealing with here.
>>
>> >  Then second I find the term BOAI compliant a bit cumbersome and not
>> > very
>> > appealing.
>>
>> Google for "BOAI". The top hit is the right one.
>>
>> Now Google for "BBB". The meaning we intend for it isn't anywhere on
>> the first five pages of results. (I got bored of looking for that.)
>> When "BBB" is mentioned in tweets, no-one who's not already an insider
>> has any chance of figuring out what we mean by it.
>>
>> But the real clincher for me is that if we say BOAI there is one place
>> that someone has to look. If they're trying to determine whether
>> something is BBB-compliant, then need to look in three places,
>> compare, contrast, interpret, try to determine whether and where the
>> definitions are compatible, how they diverge, and so on. All a waste
>> of time. This needs to be quick, simple and painless.
>>
>> -- Mike.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Third I think that in the time of having all info only 1 click away ,
>> > looking up definitions is not really a big deal,  I wonder whether many
>> > will
>> > do so anyway. Interested people can also find all info on BBB definition
>> > in
>> > one place in the Wikipedia chapter on open access.
>> >
>> > I am also not wildly enthousiastic about B3 or 3B but I think we should
>> > refer to all three definitions since they are complementary and have
>> > added
>> > value.
>> >
>> >
>> > cheers
>> >
>> > TOM
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Ross Mounce <ross.mounce at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I agree with what Mike has written.
>> >> >
>> >> > I also prefer BOAI as it's very easy to look up on the web and there
>> >> > is
>> >> > a
>> >> > single definition to read
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ditto. All one needs to say is BOAI-compliant Open Access
>> >> and link to http://www.soros.org/openaccess/read  to define *exactly*
>> >> what one means. Clear and simple to me.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ross
>> >>
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