[Open-access] [open-science] Nature Scientific Data platform and doing science with open data

Fri Apr 5 15:36:08 UTC 2013

Hi Ross and Puneet,

good to see discussion; I am happy also to collect feedback, given that 
my role is also to provide an outward facing side to accelerate the 
communication.

Hi Ross, just to point out this text too: "Metadata in the Data 
Descriptors will be made available under the CC0 protocol to promote 
maximum reuse." (http://www.nature.com/scientificdata/open-access/)
The Data Descriptors (see 
http://www.nature.com/scientificdata/for-authors/data-descriptor-content-and-submission/) 
will consist of both traditional narrative publication content and 
structured information, including key experimental metadata, that 
describes the dataset in a standardized, searchable format to aide reuse 
and discovery. Wearing my _Un of Oxford's hat_, it is my opinion that 
the structured/searchable information is CC0 and for the more 
traditional narrative content the author is given the choice (but note 
that the ND option is _not_ among these). Scientific Data will work only 
with open community databases; so far Data Dryad and FigShare are indeed 
open.

Hi Puneet, just to clarify that Data Descriptors are not mean to replace 
e.g. DataCite metadata for traditional articles; but are meant to 
describe the experimental steps. There are many many 
(researchers-driven) community standardization efforts that want these 
experimental steps richly described and standardized (fyi, see list for 
biosciences at: http://biosharing.org/standards) so that when a dataset 
is shared it can be understood, reused and in principle reproduced. 
Therefore helping publish these experimental descriptors (using 
community-0standrads as much as possible) is addressing a real need.

Btw, for those attending the http://rigourandopenness.org/ I will be 
there for more discussion.

Thanks,
Susanna

Susanna-Assunta Sansone, PhD
skype: susanna-a.sansone
uk.linkedin.com/in/sasansone

University of Oxford e-Research Centre
Associate Director, Principal Investigator
www.isacommons.org|www.biosharing.org

Nature Publishing Group
Consultant, Scientific Data
www.nature.com/scientificdata
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On 05/04/2013 15:41, Mr. Puneet Kishor wrote:
> I am with Ross.
>
> Why wouldn't I just put my data in figshare or Dryad and be done with it? Creating these "Data Descriptors" seems like inventing a new kind of publication that wasn't necessarily needed. And the differential pricing for different licenses is just goofy signifying god knows what -- are different licenses worth different amounts? This sends just the wrong kind of message.
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2013, at 7:27 AM, Ross Mounce <ross.mounce at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's not all great news...
>>
>> They're doing their usual NPG quirk of charging more if the
>> author chooses to publish under CC BY rather than CC BY-NC (they're
>> offering a 'choice' of licences).
>> see http://www.nature.com/scientificdata/open-access/
>>
>> £585 for more restrictive licencing & £650 for CC BY.
>> This will of course help authors to choose the cheaper more restrictive
>> option :(
>>
>> I've blogged about this before:
>> http://rossmounce.co.uk/2012/11/07/gold-oa-pricewatch/
>>
>> There's also no absolute guarantee the data will be open data as per
>> http://opendefinition.org/ either. The data will go to appropriate
>> community databases in some instances, and some of these may not be open.
>>
>>
>> So, yes it's good that Nature care about data, and may offer some of it as
>> open data - but unfortunately I think it's quite likely that it won't all
>> be open, and there are better more open, less expensive data journals out
>> there.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ross
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 April 2013 15:06, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org> wrote:
>>
>>> This is great news. Perhaps we should put something about this on the main
>>> OKF blog - in particular noting how we hope this will be explicitly
>>> encouraging researchers to publish data openly, as per the Panton
>>> Principles?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5 April 2013 14:36, Jenny Molloy <jenny.molloy at okfn.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>>
>>>> Many of you will have seen this recent press release, but for those who
>>>> haven't:
>>>> http://www.nature.com/press_releases/scientificdata.html
>>>>
>>>> This ties in with a recent blog post on doing science with open data,
>>>> from Tom Heath at the Open Data Institute, looking at the questions
>>>> * What are the implications of 'doing science' with open data?
>>>> * What changes are required in how we approach scientific methods and
>>>> findings based on open data?
>>>> http://www.theodi.org/blog/on-data-science-with-open-data
>>>>
>>>> Your thoughts and comments welcome!
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>>
>>>> NPG to launch Scientific Data to help scientists publish and reuse
>>>> research data
>>>>
>>>> Nature Publishing Group (NPG) today is pleased to announce the Spring
>>>> 2014 launch of Scientific Data. Open for submissions this autumn, Scientific
>>>> Data is a new open-access, online-only platform for the publication of
>>>> descriptions of scientifically valuable datasets. Scientific Data will
>>>> initially focus on experimental datasets from the life, biomedical and
>>>> environmental science communities with future plans to expand to other
>>>> fields in the natural sciences.
>>>>
>>>> Scientific Data will introduce and publish a new type of content called
>>>> Data Descriptors: peer-reviewed, scientific publications that provide
>>>> detailed descriptions of experimental and observational datasets. Data
>>>> Descriptors will be a combination of traditional scientific publication
>>>> content and structured information curated in-house, and are designed to
>>>> maximize reuse and enable searching, linking and data mining. Data
>>>> Descriptors may be associated with articles from a broad range of journals.
>>>>
>>>> "Over recent years researchers, funders and learned societies alike have
>>>> been calling for new ways to make scientific research, and research data,
>>>> more available, reusable and reproducible," says Jason Wilde, Nature
>>>> Publishing Group Business Development Director. "Scientific Data's
>>>> central mission is to help foster the sharing and re-use of the data
>>>> underpinning scientific research."
>>>>
>>>> "Scientific Data will allow for the formal peer-review, publication and
>>>> citation of data sets and will provide a real opportunity to promote open
>>>> data and promote the re-use of data held by NERC and other research
>>>> organisations," says Mark Thorley, Head of Science Information at the
>>>> Natural Environment Research Council and Chair of the Research Councils UK
>>>> Research Outputs Network.
>>>>
>>>> Scientific Data gives credit through a citable publication, for
>>>> depositing and sharing research data. Data Description will be accessible
>>>> and searchable via the Scientific Data online data platform, under a
>>>> Creative Commons license. The actual data files will be stored in one or
>>>> more public, community-recognized systems. The full release of Data
>>>> Description and associated data will be verified as part of the peer-review
>>>> process. Where a community recognized repository does not exist, Scientific
>>>> Data supports the deposit of the data into a more general repository
>>>> such as Dryad and Figshare. All accepted data descriptors will be published
>>>> on payment of an article-processing charge (APC) that will also cover the
>>>> Data Description curation process.
>>>>
>>>> Susanna-Assunta Sansone, Associate Director and Principal Investigator at
>>>> the University of Oxford e-Research Centre, has worked with the NPG team
>>>> for the past months to define the Data Description’s concept; she has now
>>>> been appointed Honorary Academic Editor of Scientific Data. She will
>>>> work closely with the Advisory Panel which is comprised of senior
>>>> scientists, data repository representatives, bio-curators, librarians, and
>>>> funders who guide the policies, standards, and editorial scope.
>>>>
>>>> "The ongoing conversation around data curation, sharing and publication
>>>> has become increasingly exciting as various organisations have moved to
>>>> encourage and in some cases support the sharing and reuse of data in
>>>> context," says Honorary Academic Editor Sansone. "To inform the internal
>>>> development of Scientific Data, I will continue to stay abreast of the
>>>> fast-paced fields of data management and scholarly communication."
>>>>
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