[Open-access] [open-science] Nature Scientific Data platform and doing science with open data

Fri Apr 5 17:11:43 UTC 2013

Susanna,

Thank you for your comments.  It is indeed welcome that metadata are
provided under CC0, just as Nature has done with metadata for it's other
publications [1].  Such efforts deserve applause as an example to other
publishers; and it is telling that it seems we must look
to business-driven publishers (Nature, PeerJ) rather than our own
scientific societies (AAAS?) for such innovation.  The perverse incentives
in licensing costs that Ross draws attention to are perhaps the sad price
we pay for that.

I was wondering if you or others might comment in any greater length upon
Tom's question about "citable".  We hear frequently how a DOI makes
something "citable".  Journals have their own requirements about what can
and cannot be "cited" -- perhaps they are driven by what sources are or
aren't indexed by Thompson Reuters or others?  For instance, it is curious
that Nature will frequently provide links in articles, but these are not
indexed as citations.  Who controls what is "citable" - the DOI providers?
the citation counters? the journal? the researchers themselves?

[1] http://www.nature.com/press_releases/linkeddata.html

Cheers,
Carl

On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Susanna-Assunta Sansone <
sa.sansone at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi Ross and Puneet,
>
> good to see discussion; I am happy also to collect feedback, given that my
> role is also to provide an outward facing side to accelerate the
> communication.
>
> Hi Ross, just to point out this text too: "Metadata in the Data
> Descriptors will be made available under the CC0 protocol to promote
> maximum reuse." (http://www.nature.com/scientificdata/open-access/)
> The Data Descriptors (see
> http://www.nature.com/scientificdata/for-authors/data-descriptor-content-and-submission/)
> will consist of both traditional narrative publication content and
> structured information, including key experimental metadata, that describes
> the dataset in a standardized, searchable format to aide reuse and discovery.
> Wearing my *Un of Oxford's hat*, it is my opinion that the structured/searchable
> information is CC0 and for the more traditional narrative content the
> author is given the choice (but note that the ND option is *not* among
> these). Scientific Data will work only with open community databases; so
> far Data Dryad and FigShare are indeed open.
>
> Hi Puneet, just to clarify that Data Descriptors are not mean to replace
> e.g. DataCite metadata for traditional articles; but are meant to
> describe the experimental steps. There are many many (researchers-driven)
> community standardization efforts that want these experimental steps
> richly described and standardized (fyi, see list for biosciences at:
> http://biosharing.org/standards) so that when a dataset is shared it can
> be understood, reused and in principle reproduced. Therefore helping
> publish these experimental descriptors (using community-0standrads as
> much as possible) is addressing a real need.
>
> Btw, for those attending the http://rigourandopenness.org/ I will be
> there for more discussion.
>
> Thanks,
> Susanna
>
> Susanna-Assunta Sansone, PhD
> skype: susanna-a.sansoneuk.linkedin.com/in/sasansone
>
> University of Oxford e-Research Centre
> Associate Director, Principal Investigatorwww.isacommons.org|www.biosharing.org
>
> Nature Publishing Group
> Consultant, Scientific Datawww.nature.com/scientificdata
> --
>
>  On 05/04/2013 15:41, Mr. Puneet Kishor wrote:
>
> I am with Ross.
>
> Why wouldn't I just put my data in figshare or Dryad and be done with it? Creating these "Data Descriptors" seems like inventing a new kind of publication that wasn't necessarily needed. And the differential pricing for different licenses is just goofy signifying god knows what -- are different licenses worth different amounts? This sends just the wrong kind of message.
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2013, at 7:27 AM, Ross Mounce <ross.mounce at gmail.com> <ross.mounce at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>  It's not all great news...
>
> They're doing their usual NPG quirk of charging more if the
> author chooses to publish under CC BY rather than CC BY-NC (they're
> offering a 'choice' of licences).
> see http://www.nature.com/scientificdata/open-access/
>
> £585 for more restrictive licencing & £650 for CC BY.
> This will of course help authors to choose the cheaper more restrictive
> option :(
>
> I've blogged about this before:http://rossmounce.co.uk/2012/11/07/gold-oa-pricewatch/
>
> There's also no absolute guarantee the data will be open data as perhttp://opendefinition.org/ either. The data will go to appropriate
> community databases in some instances, and some of these may not be open.
>
>
> So, yes it's good that Nature care about data, and may offer some of it as
> open data - but unfortunately I think it's quite likely that it won't all
> be open, and there are better more open, less expensive data journals out
> there.
>
> Best,
>
> Ross
>
>
>
> On 5 April 2013 15:06, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org> <jonathan.gray at okfn.org> wrote:
>
>
>  This is great news. Perhaps we should put something about this on the main
> OKF blog - in particular noting how we hope this will be explicitly
> encouraging researchers to publish data openly, as per the Panton
> Principles?
>
>
> On 5 April 2013 14:36, Jenny Molloy <jenny.molloy at okfn.org> <jenny.molloy at okfn.org> wrote:
>
>
>  Hi All
>
> Many of you will have seen this recent press release, but for those who
> haven't:http://www.nature.com/press_releases/scientificdata.html
>
> This ties in with a recent blog post on doing science with open data,
> from Tom Heath at the Open Data Institute, looking at the questions
> * What are the implications of 'doing science' with open data?
> * What changes are required in how we approach scientific methods and
> findings based on open data?http://www.theodi.org/blog/on-data-science-with-open-data
>
> Your thoughts and comments welcome!
>
> Jenny
>
> NPG to launch Scientific Data to help scientists publish and reuse
> research data
>
> Nature Publishing Group (NPG) today is pleased to announce the Spring
> 2014 launch of Scientific Data. Open for submissions this autumn, Scientific
> Data is a new open-access, online-only platform for the publication of
> descriptions of scientifically valuable datasets. Scientific Data will
> initially focus on experimental datasets from the life, biomedical and
> environmental science communities with future plans to expand to other
> fields in the natural sciences.
>
> Scientific Data will introduce and publish a new type of content called
> Data Descriptors: peer-reviewed, scientific publications that provide
> detailed descriptions of experimental and observational datasets. Data
> Descriptors will be a combination of traditional scientific publication
> content and structured information curated in-house, and are designed to
> maximize reuse and enable searching, linking and data mining. Data
> Descriptors may be associated with articles from a broad range of journals.
>
> "Over recent years researchers, funders and learned societies alike have
> been calling for new ways to make scientific research, and research data,
> more available, reusable and reproducible," says Jason Wilde, Nature
> Publishing Group Business Development Director. "Scientific Data's
> central mission is to help foster the sharing and re-use of the data
> underpinning scientific research."
>
> "Scientific Data will allow for the formal peer-review, publication and
> citation of data sets and will provide a real opportunity to promote open
> data and promote the re-use of data held by NERC and other research
> organisations," says Mark Thorley, Head of Science Information at the
> Natural Environment Research Council and Chair of the Research Councils UK
> Research Outputs Network.
>
> Scientific Data gives credit through a citable publication, for
> depositing and sharing research data. Data Description will be accessible
> and searchable via the Scientific Data online data platform, under a
> Creative Commons license. The actual data files will be stored in one or
> more public, community-recognized systems. The full release of Data
> Description and associated data will be verified as part of the peer-review
> process. Where a community recognized repository does not exist, Scientific
> Data supports the deposit of the data into a more general repository
> such as Dryad and Figshare. All accepted data descriptors will be published
> on payment of an article-processing charge (APC) that will also cover the
> Data Description curation process.
>
> Susanna-Assunta Sansone, Associate Director and Principal Investigator at
> the University of Oxford e-Research Centre, has worked with the NPG team
> for the past months to define the Data Description’s concept; she has now
> been appointed Honorary Academic Editor of Scientific Data. She will
> work closely with the Advisory Panel which is comprised of senior
> scientists, data repository representatives, bio-curators, librarians, and
> funders who guide the policies, standards, and editorial scope.
>
> "The ongoing conversation around data curation, sharing and publication
> has become increasingly exciting as various organisations have moved to
> encourage and in some cases support the sharing and reuse of data in
> context," says Honorary Academic Editor Sansone. "To inform the internal
> development of Scientific Data, I will continue to stay abreast of the
> fast-paced fields of data management and scholarly communication."
>
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