[Open-access] [open-science] Nature Scientific Data platform and doing science with open data

Fri Apr 5 17:14:25 UTC 2013

Susanna,

Thank you for your comments.  It is indeed welcome that metadata are
provided under CC0, just as Nature has done with metadata for it's other
publications [1].  Such efforts deserve applause as an example to other
publishers; and it is telling that it seems we must look
to business-driven publishers (Nature, PeerJ) rather than our own
scientific societies (AAAS?) for such innovation.  The perverse incentives
in licensing costs that Ross draws attention to are perhaps the sad price
we pay for that.

I was wondering if you or others might comment in any greater length upon
Tom's question about "citable".  We hear frequently how a DOI makes
something "citable".  Journals have their own requirements about what can
and cannot be "cited" -- perhaps they are driven by what sources are or
aren't indexed by Thompson Reuters or others?  For instance, it is curious
that Nature will frequently provide links in articles, but these are not
indexed as citations.  Who controls what is "citable" - the DOI providers?
the citation counters? the journal? the researchers themselves?

[1] http://www.nature.com/press_releases/linkeddata.html

Cheers,
Carl

On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Heather Morrison <hgmorris at sfu.ca> wrote:

> Researchers could be deposited their data in their local repositories at
> no cost to them; most research institutions already have the repositories,
> so this is a bit of extra work / computer space but in most cases not much
> more. The peer review as usual will be done by researchers at no cost to
> the publisher. Publishers moving into this arena on a for-pay basis is not
> great news.
>
> This whole system - free gifting of academic work in the form of research
> results and reviewing - rests on the assumption of secure academic
> positions at universities. What impact will trends such as MOOCs and
> automatic grading have on this system?
>
> If we move forward towards transitioning scholarly communication to open
> access without addressing this question, are we in effect killing the goose
> that is laying those golden eggs?
>
> best,
>
> Dr. Heather Morrison
> Freedom for scholarship in the internet age
> http://summit.sfu.ca/item/12537
>
>
>
> On 2013-04-05, at 7:27 AM, Ross Mounce wrote:
>
> > It's not all great news...
> >
> > They're doing their usual NPG quirk of charging more if the author
> chooses to publish under CC BY rather than CC BY-NC (they're offering a
> 'choice' of licences).
> > see http://www.nature.com/scientificdata/open-access/
> >
> > £585 for more restrictive licencing & £650 for CC BY.
> > This will of course help authors to choose the cheaper more restrictive
> option :(
> >
> > I've blogged about this before:
> http://rossmounce.co.uk/2012/11/07/gold-oa-pricewatch/
> >
> > There's also no absolute guarantee the data will be open data as per
> http://opendefinition.org/ either. The data will go to appropriate
> community databases in some instances, and some of these may not be open.
> >
> >
> > So, yes it's good that Nature care about data, and may offer some of it
> as open data - but unfortunately I think it's quite likely that it won't
> all be open, and there are better more open, less expensive data journals
> out there.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Ross
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5 April 2013 15:06, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org> wrote:
> > This is great news. Perhaps we should put something about this on the
> main OKF blog - in particular noting how we hope this will be explicitly
> encouraging researchers to publish data openly, as per the Panton
> Principles?
> >
> >
> > On 5 April 2013 14:36, Jenny Molloy <jenny.molloy at okfn.org> wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> > Many of you will have seen this recent press release, but for those who
> haven't:
> > http://www.nature.com/press_releases/scientificdata.html
> >
> > This ties in with a recent blog post on doing science with open data,
> from Tom Heath at the Open Data Institute, looking at the questions
> > * What are the implications of 'doing science' with open data?
> > * What changes are required in how we approach scientific methods and
> findings based on open data?
> > http://www.theodi.org/blog/on-data-science-with-open-data
> >
> > Your thoughts and comments welcome!
> >
> > Jenny
> >
> > NPG to launch Scientific Data to help scientists publish and reuse
> research data
> > Nature Publishing Group (NPG) today is pleased to announce the Spring
> 2014 launch of Scientific Data. Open for submissions this autumn,
> Scientific Data is a new open-access, online-only platform for the
> publication of descriptions of scientifically valuable datasets. Scientific
> Data will initially focus on experimental datasets from the life,
> biomedical and environmental science communities with future plans to
> expand to other fields in the natural sciences.
> > Scientific Data will introduce and publish a new type of content called
> Data Descriptors: peer-reviewed, scientific publications that provide
> detailed descriptions of experimental and observational datasets. Data
> Descriptors will be a combination of traditional scientific publication
> content and structured information curated in-house, and are designed to
> maximize reuse and enable searching, linking and data mining. Data
> Descriptors may be associated with articles from a broad range of journals.
> > "Over recent years researchers, funders and learned societies alike have
> been calling for new ways to make scientific research, and research data,
> more available, reusable and reproducible," says Jason Wilde, Nature
> Publishing Group Business Development Director. "Scientific Data's central
> mission is to help foster the sharing and re-use of the data underpinning
> scientific research."
> > "Scientific Data will allow for the formal peer-review, publication and
> citation of data sets and will provide a real opportunity to promote open
> data and promote the re-use of data held by NERC and other research
> organisations," says Mark Thorley, Head of Science Information at the
> Natural Environment Research Council and Chair of the Research Councils UK
> Research Outputs Network.
> > Scientific Data gives credit through a citable publication, for
> depositing and sharing research data. Data Description will be accessible
> and searchable via the Scientific Data online data platform, under a
> Creative Commons license. The actual data files will be stored in one or
> more public, community-recognized systems. The full release of Data
> Description and associated data will be verified as part of the peer-review
> process. Where a community recognized repository does not exist, Scientific
> Data supports the deposit of the data into a more general repository such
> as Dryad and Figshare. All accepted data descriptors will be published on
> payment of an article-processing charge (APC) that will also cover the Data
> Description curation process.
> > Susanna-Assunta Sansone, Associate Director and Principal Investigator
> at the University of Oxford e-Research Centre, has worked with the NPG team
> for the past months to define the Data Description’s concept; she has now
> been appointed Honorary Academic Editor of Scientific Data. She will work
> closely with the Advisory Panel which is comprised of senior scientists,
> data repository representatives, bio-curators, librarians, and funders who
> guide the policies, standards, and editorial scope.
> > "The ongoing conversation around data curation, sharing and publication
> has become increasingly exciting as various organisations have moved to
> encourage and in some cases support the sharing and reuse of data in
> context," says Honorary Academic Editor Sansone. "To inform the internal
> development of Scientific Data, I will continue to stay abreast of the
> fast-paced fields of data management and scholarly communication."
> >
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