[Open-access] [open-science] Elsevier: some facts, by Tim Gowers

Wed Apr 30 10:43:54 UTC 2014

Just wanted to chime in to say that this is a very interesting, sobering
and important conversation. Great work everyone. This single email thread
is making me think about the whole subject in a new way.

Gully

On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 2:35 AM, Michelle Brook <michelle.brook at okfn.org>wrote:

> In total agreement here.
>
> In the UK, the recent Wellcome Trust author processing charge data release
> was very useful. (More info:
> http://access.okfn.org/2014/03/24/scale-hybrid-journals-publishing/ and
> http://access.okfn.org/2014/04/01/wellcome-trust-apc-data-thank-you/)
>
> A few Universities have released some of their APC data (Cambridge and
> Queens Belfast) - at least the costs that have been born through libraries
> (although this misses the chunk paid through grants) Although I've not had
> time to explore this data fully yet.
>
> I'm hoping that soon we will be in push for other UK libraries to release
> similar data.
>
> I'd love it if anyone had time to help push for these data releases, or to
> explore the University data already out there.
>
> I imagine this is something that could be replicated in other countries
> also?
>
> M
>
> > On 30 Apr 2014, at 10:21, "Richard Poynder" <ricky at richardpoynder.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > Another question to ask perhaps is one that the Australian Open Access
> Support Group is currently puzzling over: How much is the research
> community spending on OA publishing?
> >
> > http://aoasg.org.au/what-are-we-spending-on-oa-publication/
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there anything else we need beyond these figures? What am I missing?
> >
> > Legacy publishers: US$5000
> > SciELO: US$90
> > Arxiv: US$7
> >
> > Multiplied by the number of papers published, this is what we would be
> paying, if we used one of these exclusively:
> >
> > Legacy: 10b
> > SciELO: 0.18b
> > Arxiv: 0.014b
> >
> > Do we need any figures beyond that? Rather than focusing on one
> publisher, we ought to perhaps, if anything, focus on the individual
> countries, so we can say to each citizen: "you are wasting this much of
> your taxes on legacy publishing".
> >
> > I must be missing something that people spend so much time on Elsevier,
> when we already seem to have all the numbers we need. What am I missing?
> >
> > Bjoern
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Björn Brembs
> > ---------------------------------------------
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> > Neurogenetics
> > Universität Regensburg
> > Germany
> >
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