[Open-access] MIT Press Journals

Wed Jun 3 10:36:44 UTC 2015

Cameron, you're right.

I will reserve judgment till we know more.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Cameron Neylon <cn at cameronneylon.net>
wrote:

> Hi Folks
>
> I think there are two different things being conflated here. The use of CC
> licenses and whether content is Open Access. Let me try and illustrate with
> an example.
>
> If you go to an Elsevier subscription journal and purchase an article (or
> you have a subscription) you can get an article under some form of legal
> agreement or license. That license could have many forms, it could even be
> a CC license of some form (although that would be unusual). But the type of
> license tells you nothing about whether that article is Open Access or not.
>
> Equally consider another option. Making something available under a CC BY
> license means that someone downstream can use an article, perhaps put it in
> a book, and sell it. Allowing this kind of activity is part of why some of
> us advocate for CC BY (and also why some people advocate against it!). But
> whichever side of that fence you sit you can see that there is a symmetry.
> If someone downstream can sell access then someone upstream can as well.
>
> The CC licenses are *explicitly* designed to allow this kind of thing. It
> is a feature not a bug. See for instance Open Book Publishers offering CC
> BY books in print or epub for a price but the online version free to read.
>
> As long as MIT press is not claiming the articles are OA I think this is
> positive. It’s helpful that they are using a standard user license rather
> than a bespoke one *for their subscription content*. I’d prefer they use
> a more liberal one, but baby steps. It is clear that someone with a
> legitimate copy could place one in a repository, provided that repository
> is not “commercial” in any sense, which as usual is difficult to define.
>
> Cheers
>
> Cameron
>
> Cameron Neylon
> cn at cameronneylon.net - http://cameronneylon.net
> @cameronneylon - http://orcid.org/0000-0002-0068-716X
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Tom Olijhoek <tom.olijhoek at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I agree with PMR that this is appalling.
>> I  think that the CC licenses should be used in cases where the author
>> retains the unrestricted copyright.
>> That is the kind of open access we need, other constructions with
>> transfer of copyright or exclusive publishing rights or transfer of
>> commercial rights to the publisher all lead to situations where sharing is
>> compromised.
>> I have just published a blogpost at the DOAJ blogsite on the issue of
>> copyright in the open access setting:
>>   please share if you wish:
>>
>> https://doajournals.wordpress.com/2015/06/02/copyright-and-licensing-part-2/
>>
>> BTW  DOAJ recently decided that unrestricted copyright for the author is
>> one of the criteria for it's SEAL.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Flanagan,D <D.Flanagan at lse.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I emailed MIT Press about an article that had a CC license but appeared
>>> to be behind a paywall.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The response I received from MIT Press Journals was as follows:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Creative Commons licenses work in tandem with copyright rather than as a
>>> substitute for it. On behalf of MIT, the MIT Press is the copyright holder
>>> of the articles found in IJLM and because of this we reserve the right to
>>> sell the articles.  However, the articles are sold with a CC BY-NC-ND
>>> license attached, which allows the user to share the work with others
>>> provided that they fully credit the IJLM article.  With this license users
>>> cannot change the article in any way or use it commercially.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems a little against the spirit of the CC license and a rather odd
>>> choice for an academic publisher to make.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was trying to get this article to put in our institutional repository
>>> on behalf of an academic. It will be interesting to hear what she has to
>>> say about this…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dimity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dimity Flanagan*
>>>
>>> Library Assistant, Research Support Services, LSE Research Online
>>> <http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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