[open-bibliography] New BNB sample data available

[Karen Coyle]

Owen, one hitch here is that place of publication is not a geographic  
data element. I know that sounds odd, but in fact "place of  
publication" and "publisher" in fact are:

"the place of publication as listed on the title page"
"the publisher as listed on the title page"

They are what library cataloging calls "transcribed" elements, and are  
intended to be surrogates for the actual title page (along with title  
proper and statement of responsibility). So if either is wrong or  
fictitious, it is still transcribed. (There are more caveats here:  
some cataloging rules allow you to abbreviate or expand, etc. etc.)

In fact, there is no data element in library cataloging for either the  
place of publication or the publisher as an entity. MARC adds a coded  
country of publication, as noted below, and that *is* a geographic  
entity.

kc



Quoting Owen Stephens <owen at ostephens.com>:

> Thanks
>
> I guess that ideally I'd see the more specific place of publication
> identified by a geonames http uri, then the rest of the hierarchy of
> geography can be dealt with by the more specialised resources available.
>
> What I don't like about the approach you describe is it establishes a
> convention outside the formal definitions in isbd and rda (as far as I can
> see?) - if both the 'country level' and more specific (where available) are
> to be represented within the BL data, then I think properties that match
> these definitions would be needed for it to be useful - otherwise you may as
> well use the same property for both.
>
> That said, I'd go back to my original preference  - I'm not sure the benefit
> you get from expressing 'London' and 'England' separately when you could
> just use http://sws.geonames.org/2643743/about.rdf
>
> Owen
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Deliot, Corine <Corine.Deliot at bl.uk> wrote:
>
>>  Yes, it is to reflect the different granularity. The data in the 260$a is
>> at the city, town level whereas the data recorded in the 008/15-17 in the
>> MARC record is at the country level. We thought it may be helpful to keep
>> that distinction but if the consensus is that it is not, then we can use the
>> same element.
>>
>>
>>
>> Corine
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* open-bibliography-bounces at lists.okfn.org [mailto:
>> open-bibliography-bounces at lists.okfn.org] *On Behalf Of *Owen Stephens
>> *Sent:* 03 February 2011 13:08
>>
>> *To:* List for Working Group on Open Bibliographic Data
>> *Subject:* Re: [open-bibliography] New BNB sample data available
>>
>>
>>
>> Corine - is there any reason why the place of publication from 260 is done
>> as isbd:P1016 while the new country code is put into rda:placeOfProduction
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Deliot, Corine <Corine.Deliot at bl.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is to let you know that there are two new sample data files available
>> from our website
>>
>> http://www.bl.uk/bibliographic/datasamples.html
>>
>>
>>
>> The first file is an updated version of the BNB in RDF/XML. The substantive
>> change is that the conversion now carries over the MARC country code for the
>> place of publication.
>>
>>
>>
>> The second file is based on the same conversion but includes links to
>> linked data sources: LCSH in SKOS, MARC country and language codes, Dewey
>> info, Lexvo, GeoNames and the RDF Book Mashup.
>>
>>
>>
>> Feedback welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>>
>> Corine
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Corine Deliot
>>
>> Metadata Standards Analyst
>>
>> British Library
>>
>> Boston Spa, Wetherby
>>
>> West Yorkshire LS 23 7BQ
>>
>>
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