[open-bibliography] Getting started with Spinal Muscular Atrophy

Thu Jan 27 10:15:11 UTC 2011

Fabiane,
Thanks very much for this. I think it's best to fork this discussion and
take it to the OKF - there is little point in my continuing to try to
contribute to semantic discussions on BtPDF as I am powerless. I'm therefore
copying this to open-bibliography.

OB people:
Background. We've had a very exciting meeting at BtPDF where we have been
identifying how to add semantics to science and medicine. The discussions
are all Open and archived and worth following. Several projects arose of
which one, the semantic analysis of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinal_muscular_atrophy has been taken as an
exemplar. We are offering to help with bibliography and citations (a wider
OKF involvement (Rufus, David Shotton, Cameron Neylon, Leslie Chan and the
OpenBib hackforce) will emerge in a few days).

In the OKF we are strictly limiting ourselves to open material. This is
because only people in rich universities can read the full medical
literature - 99.9... % of the world including patient groups is effectively
forbidden to read the literature (in case you are unaware it costs 30-40 USD
to rent (sic) a single non-Open medical paper for 2 days).

What we are allowed to read is the Bibliography in (UK)PubMedCentral because
that is in the public domain by right. We had believed that the abstract
might be subject to copyright. Now Fabiane has shown that in some
jurisdictions the abstract is specifically copyable and re-publishable.

So I am taking this to the OKF for discussion about the extent of this
permission. So - unless other BtPDFers wish to discuss this I suggest that
REPLY is only to OKF

[This doesn't alter *my* position on our projects - access to an abstract of
closed content is almost worse than nothing - it perpetuates the philosophy
of preventing people reading the literature which they have funded.]

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Fabiana Kubke <mf.kubke at gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter, the NZ copyright law (
> http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1994/0143/latest/DLM346213.html?search=ts_act_copyright+act_resel#DLM346213)
> reads:
> Abstracts of scientific or technical articles
>
>    -
>
>    Where an article on a scientific or technical subject is published in a
>    periodical accompanied by an abstract indicating the contents of the
>    article, it is not an infringement of copyright in the abstract, or in the
>    article, to copy the abstract or issue copies of the abstract to the public.
>
> Would doing some of your work under a NZ jurisdiction help you bypass your
> title/abstract issue? If you are willing to consider this option I could do
> some asking around as to whether this could be a viable solution.
>
> The UK 1988 act reads the same (except for a provision I do not understand)
> (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/60) (I also don't
> know whether this is the current legislation in the UK). But it sounds like
> a publisher would actually have to apply to the secretary of state to not
> have this copyright waiver.
>
> 60 Abstracts of scientific or technical articles.E+W+S+N.I.
>
> (1)Where an article on a scientific or technical subject is published in a
> periodical accompanied by an abstract indicating the contents of the
> article, it is not an infringement of copyright in the abstract, or in the
> article, to copy the abstract or issue copies of it to the public.
>
> (2)This section does not apply if or to the extent that there is a
> licensing scheme certified for the purposes of this section under section
> 143 providing for the grant of licences.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk>wrote:
>
>>
>> [....]
>>
>> We have to work only from the titles as we cannot use the information in
>> abstracts since that is often by default the copyright of the journal ("our
>> content"). The attractive thing about diseases is that their name often
>> ensures high precision and recall. However in this case It wiuld be useful
>> to have any synonyms that might occur in the title.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> M Fabiana Kubke
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Peter Murray-Rust
>> Reader in Molecular Informatics
>> Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
>> University of Cambridge
>> CB2 1EW, UK
>> +44-1223-763069
>>
>
>
>
> --
> M Fabiana Kubke
>
> Department of Anatomy | University of Auckland | New Zealand
> (+64) 9 373-7599 Ext 86002 | (+64)9 923 6002 (direct) | Mobile: (+64) 210
> 437 121
>
> Skype: superfabs | http://twitter.com/Kubke | http://identi.ca/kubke |
> http://buildingblogsofscience.wordpress.com |
> http://sciblogs.co.nz/building-blogs-of-science |
> http://popscinz.wordpress.com | http://talkingteaching.wordpress.com
>

-- 
Peter Murray-Rust
Reader in Molecular Informatics
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
University of Cambridge
CB2 1EW, UK
+44-1223-763069
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