[open-bibliography] Openbiblio workshop at OKCon

Wed Jul 13 19:38:16 UTC 2011

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Karen Coyle <kcoyle at kcoyle.net> wrote:

>
>
> Add to that the announcement from the UK about the JISC bibliographic
> principles (different from ours, but we should find a way to do a mutual
> link since they have the same intent), and it sure looks to me like Open
> Bibliographic Data has reached a good momentum.

I have picked at least two other straws in the wind - and I believe that
fairly soon we shall have abundant Open Bibliographic Data.

P.

>
> kc
>
>
> Quoting Adrian Pohl <adrian.pohl at okfn.org>:
>
>  Hello Karen,
>>
>> you are right that the wording could be more explicit but I think it
>> is in fact explicit enough if one regards the context of the
>> discussion and the wording of the German original.
>>
>> 2011/7/13 Karen Coyle <kcoyle at kcoyle.net>:
>>
>>> Thanks, Adrian. I note that their wording is "no legal objections to
>>> indexing..." I'm not sure that translates to "not covered by copyright."
>>> I
>>> am especially unsure what they mean by "indexing for catalogue enrichment
>>> purposes." it may be clearer in the German original, but "indexing" isn't
>>> the same as "copying" and I think the issue at hand is whether one can
>>> freely make copies of this data.
>>>
>>
>> In German the wording isn't that clear as well, as it says
>> "Erschließung". In practice - and this was clear to both parties in
>> this discussion -"indexing"/"Erschließung" means scanning the ToCs and
>> adding at least a pdf of the scan to the catalogue but for some also
>> indexing the OCRed in a search engine.
>>
>> Also, the German wording makes it pretty clear that covertext and
>> blurb are copyrightable _in contrast to_ the prior mentioned parts of
>> books (which, thus, aren't copyrightable).
>>
>> Interestingly, in a related note which underpins these statements, the
>> German National Library of Medicine since 2000 has been scanning
>> tables of contents of more than 600 German medical journals and 200
>> articles of journals in the fields nutrition, agriculture and the
>> environment. They OCR these ToCs, extract structured article data from
>> it and index it in their portals MEDPILOT and GREENPILOT. Until now
>> nobody objected and the resulting data (of 660 000 articles) will soon
>> be published under a Public Domain licence. (This might be interesting
>> for some on this list as only 10% of this data is contained in PubMed.
>> It would make a nice combination with the Medline dataset. I'll write
>> a blog post about it as soon the data is open.)
>>
>> All the best
>> Adrian
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone else have a different interpretation?
>>>
>>> kc
>>>
>>> Quoting Adrian Pohl <adrian.pohl at okfn.org>:
>>>
>>>  Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I now published a translation of the German Publishers and Booksellers
>>>> Association's letter at
>>>>
>>>> http://openbiblio.net/2011/07/**13/are-bibliographies-**
>>>> copyrightable-the-german-case/<http://openbiblio.net/2011/07/13/are-bibliographies-copyrightable-the-german-case/>
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>> Adrian
>>>>
>>>> 2011/7/4 Jim Pitman <pitman at stat.berkeley.edu>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Adrian Pohl <adrian.pohl at okfn.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  the open bibliographic data workshop at OKCon has started 20 minutes
>>>>>> ago. You may join us on the etherpad at
>>>>>> http://okfnpad.org/okcon-**biblio-workshop<http://okfnpad.org/okcon-biblio-workshop>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Adrian, just saw this.
>>>>>
>>>>> This note
>>>>>
>>>>> citations?? --> In Germany they are considered public domain.
>>>>> Publishers
>>>>> agree with that, see letter of "BÃ¶sernverein des Deutschen
>>>>> Buchhandels":
>>>>> http://www.bibliotheksverband.**de/fileadmin/user_upload/DBV/**
>>>>> vereinbarungen/Boersenverein_**110707_Kataloganreicherung.pdf<http://www.bibliotheksverband.de/fileadmin/user_upload/DBV/vereinbarungen/Boersenverein_110707_Kataloganreicherung.pdf>
>>>>>
>>>>> Very interesting. Any chance you could do a translation of this and
>>>>> post
>>>>> to the openbiblio blog?
>>>>> all the best
>>>>> --Jim
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