[open-bibliography] Extract Translations from WorldCat?

Mon Oct 22 14:43:51 UTC 2012

Thanks John. That's definitely a start! 

How are the various ISBNS and/or OCLCs associated? Is that done
manually? (I notice that the OCLC 749427863, for one of the Polish
editions, is not in any of the lists of OCLCs e.g. at 177669176 - so it
must be an ISBN association?)

There is an 'Original Language' field - but only for the translations -
and that's not the same as a link or pointer to an original-language
edition.

Tricky!

Cheers

Tom

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[mailto:open-bibliography-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of John
Salter
Sent: 22 October 2012 15:16
To: 'List for Working Group on Open Bibliographic Data'
Subject: Re: [open-bibliography] Extract Translations from WorldCat?

Hi Tom,

The xISBN API already returns multiple language variations of an item
(and editions) e.g.

http://xisbn.worldcat.org/webservices/xid/isbn/0596002815?method=getEdit
ions&fl=*&format=json (also: 

http://www.oclc.org/developer/documentation/xisbn/response-details)

This would cover *recent* items (e.g. items with an ISBN), but not older
texts - and I'm not sure how you tell which language is the original?

Does that help at all with what you're trying to do?

Cheers,

John

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[mailto:open-bibliography-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Cheesman
T.
Sent: 22 October 2012 14:41
To: open-bibliography at lists.okfn.org
Subject: [open-bibliography] Extract Translations from WorldCat?

Hello, dear Open Bibliography group,

[I sent the following to the ScraperWiki list yesterday and David Jones
has suggested I try you - saying: "I think some people there have done
some WorldCat hacking". But come to think of it, there might be better
sources than WorldCat for the data I'm interested in?]

Here's a major challenge - possibly new (?): scrape out of WorldCat all
the items which are translations, and link them with all the items which
are translated. 

Doing this would (1) help anyone find any translations of a work or find
the original of any translation (= a tool which performs as an interface
to WorldCat data) and (2) build a dynamic dataset representing global
cultural flows (= a stats tool).

Data about WorldCat items includes OCLC number, title, date, publisher,
language, edition/format, personal names under 'author' (sometimes also
'responsibility'), sometimes 'other titles', 'notes' etc. - the fields
vary depending on the library catalogue or other source they came from.

In the case of translations, the fact that a work is a translation is
often only shown in the title field:  '... translated from ... by ...'
can appear.  So we might have to start by collating all items with such
phrases (in all languages) in the title field, and extracting names.
Translator names will be key links.

An 'other title', esp if it is in a different language (but that won't
be marked), is probably an original title (but might be the title of a
translation...).  

WorldCat entries are cross-referenced to ''all editions and formats' -
and that includes multiple copies, differing editions, and translations,
but translations are only linked IF they have the same title as the
original (or partly the same). So the English translation of Kristeva's
"Hannah Arendt" biography is linked to the Japanese and Polish
translations, but not to the French original. 

Index Translationum, started in 1932 by the League of Nations, now run
by UNESCO, keeps a record of all the world's literary translations. Its
records could be used to cross-check links, perhaps?

Just an idea..!

Tom

Dr Tom Cheesman

Reader in German 

College of Arts and Humanities

Swansea University

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