[open-bibliography] Fwd: Re: [dpla-discussion] DPLA Board of Directors call: Thursday, February 14, 1:00 PM EST
Karen Coyle
kcoyle at kcoyle.net
Mon Feb 18 15:12:37 UTC 2013
Thanks, Adrian. I hadn't started writing, but now I can write it for a
different venue where I have an article due. Yeah! :-)
kc
On 2/18/13 6:24 AM, Adrian Pohl wrote:
> In January, Joris already published a post "Digital Public Library of
> America recommends CC0" both at the OpenGLAM blog[1] and at the main
> OKF blog[2]. Though the new policy draft is more detailed, there
> doesn't seem to be a significant change in content compared to the
> January version of a draft DPLA metadata policy. Thus, I'd say there
> is no need for another blog post. (Hope, you haven't started writing
> yet, Karen.)
>
> All the best
> Adrian
>
> [1] http://openglam.org/2013/01/21/digital-public-library-of-america-recommends-cc0/
>
> [2] http://blog.okfn.org/2013/01/22/digital-public-library-of-america-recommends-cc0/
>
> On 17 February 2013 11:33, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org> wrote:
>> That would be great Karen! If you framed this for a general audience
>> (explaining background and why this is important) we could run it on the
>> main OKF blog...
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2013 21:18, Karen Coyle <kcoyle at kcoyle.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think this is worthy of a blog post. Would you like me to start a draft,
>>> and I can run that by the list before posting (I can't remember if I can
>>> post, but Adrian can).
>>>
>>> BTW, #4 is:
>>>
>>> 04. Free and Unencumbered Access to Metadata.
>>>
>>> Given the purposes of the policy and the copyright status of the metadata,
>>> and pursuant to the DPLA’s terms of service, the DPLA’s users are free to
>>> harvest, collect, modify, and/or otherwise use any metadata contained in the
>>> DPLA.
>>>
>>> [thunderous applause]
>>>
>>> kc
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/16/13 10:26 AM, Tom Johnson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This was my impression as well.
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know (or can anyone work out) whether CC0 will be a
>>>>
>>>> requirement for all metadata in DPLA?
>>>>
>>>> This is an important question which may have been a bit ambiguous in the
>>>> original statement. The revised statement is clear:
>>>>
>>>> "The DPLA’s partners agree that the vast majority of metadata is not
>>>> subject to copyright. To the extent that metadata provided by the DPLA’s
>>>> partners may be protected by copyright, however, those partners have
>>>> agreed to dedicate such metadata to the public domain pursuant to a CC0
>>>> license. /This means that any raw metadata imported into the DPLA, which
>>>> is protected by copyright, is provided under a CC0 license." /[emphasis
>>>>
>>>> in original]
>>>>
>>>> Under the statement as written, not only do contributing institutions
>>>> agree to release their metadata as CC0 via DPLA, but there is an
>>>> implicit agreement not to argue any copyright interest at all. I think
>>>> the addition of point 4 is a nice touch as well. It doesn't add anything
>>>> new, but it's a nice human readable summary clarifying the spirit of the
>>>> policy.
>>>>
>>>> It's an excellent statement and I think we should do what we can to make
>>>> sure that this multi-pronged approach is adopted by other large
>>>> institutions.
>>>>
>>>> Oregon State University is in the process of discussing similar language
>>>> with our legal department to apply to our published datasets.
>>>>
>>>> - Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 6:52 AM, John Wilkin <jpwilkin at umich.edu
>>>> <mailto:jpwilkin at umich.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a DPLA insider, either, but I'm close enough to say with
>>>> confidence that Tom's read of the intent, outlined in his paragraph
>>>> that starts with "I think what they're going for here," is exactly
>>>> right and nicely characterized.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Tom Morris <tfmorris at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:tfmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Jonathan Gray
>>>> <jonathan.gray at okfn.org <mailto:jonathan.gray at okfn.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Karen. Great it sounds like they are adopting a
>>>> policy which include CC0. Does anyone know (or can anyone
>>>> work out) whether CC0 will be a requirement for all metadata
>>>> in DPLA?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a DPLA insider, but my reading is that all contributing
>>>> institutions will be required to contribute anything
>>>> copyrightable under a CC0 license.
>>>>
>>>> Two bits that I find quite bizarre:
>>>>
>>>> * "Gore pointed out that in her experience working with
>>>> prospective data-providers, most cultural heritage
>>>> institutions are comfortable with the idea that the vast
>>>> majority of metadata is not copyrightable" -> Presumably
>>>> talking mainly about US GLAM institutions. Is this true? And
>>>> does 'not copyrightable' equate to 'happy to release in bulk
>>>> under CC0'?
>>>> * "Courant said that he thinks CC0 is still too
>>>> restrictive of a license, which is why he likes
>>>> using it as a ‘backstop’, which the policy does." -> Not
>>>> sure what 'too restrictive' means in this context? Too open?
>>>> Too strong? To legally specific? Anyone know?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think what they're going for here is that no license should be
>>>> necessary at all because the metadata can't be copyrighted. I
>>>> suspect they want that to be their primary position, but are
>>>> including CC0 as a fallback/fail-safe. It's a bit of a nuanced
>>>> position and I could be misreading it, but that's my
>>>> interpretation.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> J.
>>>>
>>>> On 15 February 2013 23:20, Karen Coyle <lists at kcoyle.net
>>>> <mailto:lists at kcoyle.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Open Biblio Folks: much of the discussion in the notes
>>>> is about licensing of bib data. Perhaps we can read and
>>>> discuss?
>>>>
>>>> kc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [dpla-discussion] DPLA Board of
>>>> Directors
>>>> call: Thursday, February 14, 1:00 PM EST
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:12:16 -0500
>>>> From: Kenny Whitebloom
>>>> <kwhitebloom at cyber.law.harvard.edu>
>>>> <mailto:kwhitebloom at cyber.law.harvard.edu>
>>>> Reply-To: dpla-discussion at eon.law.harvard.edu
>>>> <mailto:dpla-discussion at eon.law.harvard.edu>
>>>> To: dpla-discussion at eon.law.harvard.edu
>>>> <mailto:dpla-discussion at eon.law.harvard.edu>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Notes from yesterday's Board of Directors call are now
>>>> available at:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://dp.la/about/board/february-14-2013-board-of-directors-call/
>>>>
>>>> There you will also find the materials discussed during
>>>> the call. Let us know if you have any questions.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Kenny
>>>>
>>>> On 2/11/2013 2:19 PM, Kenny Whitebloom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> The next DPLA Board of Directors call will take place
>>>>> this Thursday, February 14, at 1 PM EST. This call is
>>>>> open to the public; more information is available on
>>>>> the DPLA website
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://dp.la/about/february-14-2013-board-of-directors-call>.
>>>>>
>>>>> The conference line is:
>>>>>
>>>>> *Dial-in*: 800-501-8979 <tel:800-501-8979>
>>>>> *Access Code*: 2739336
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> An agenda for the call is attached, along with
>>>>> supporting materials (also available online
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://dp.la/about/february-14-2013-board-of-directors-call>).
>>>>>
>>>>> Please don't hesitate to be in touch with any
>>>>> questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Kenny
>>>>> --
>>>>> Kenny Whitebloom
>>>>> Berkman Center for Internet & Society
>>>>> 23 Everett Street, 2nd Floor, Cambridge, MA 02138
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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