[open-bibliography] Inviting community engagement on building a bibliographic roadmap

Sat Jan 19 19:19:48 UTC 2013

Sorry, Roy. Just wanted some examples of publishers making their ONIX 
data openly available. I'll look for a better example.

kc

On 1/19/13 9:09 AM, Tennant,Roy wrote:
> Oh gosh, that site is so old. If the information there works for you, great.
> But I haven't updated it in over 5 years. I do know that McGraw-Hill is
> still quite good about providing their ONIX records, and I remain on their
> mailing list because I've been too lazy to remove myself. It would be great
> if someone took upon themselves to create a directory of such record feeds,
> but I'm afraid that person can no longer be me.
> Roy
>
>
> On 1/19/13 1/19/13 € 7:51 AM, "Karen Coyle" <kcoyle at kcoyle.net> wrote:
>
>> List of publishers (not complete) who make their bib records available
>> for free downloading:
>>
>> http://roytennant.com/proto/onix/
>>
>> On 1/19/13 12:52 AM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Thomas Krichel <krichel at openlib.org
>>> <mailto:krichel at openlib.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>         Peter Murray-Rust writes
>>>
>>>> I actually suspect that publishers do not want open bibdata.
>>>
>>>         So do I. As long as the biggest one, Elsevier, runs a business of
>>>         selling metadata through Scopus, why would they give that data away?
>>>         Actually they do give some to RePEc but I am told we are the only
>>>         ones they give any of their metadata to and it does not contain
>>>         abstracts. This data still has commercial value.  Case in point: the
>>>         CEO of a company in the scholarly communications field confided to
>>>         me that his company spends a lot of money for metadata from a
>>>         medium-sized society publisher.
>>>
>>> Yes - bibliographicdata is money. smaller publishers sell it to the
>>> aggregators, the aggregators resell it a a huge markup and devlop a
>>> monopoly.
>>>
>>>> They want Google to index it for them.
>>>
>>>         I am not so sure about this. I suspect the publishers would rather
>>>         have their own engines, but they don't have a technology anywhere
>>>         near Google's, so I think it's more of a case of "if you can't
>>>         beat them, join them".
>>>
>>>
>>> Imagine if 100 (and possibly 1000) publishers all had their search
>>> engines? It would be almost as useless as institutional repositories.
>>> No, they want a one-stop shop. Maybe Elsevier would like that role, but
>>> not - say - the  Chemical Society of Japan. I *can* see the value of
>>> domain-specific repositories - if they add value beyond GoogleText. e.g.
>>> searching for data and equations.
>>>
>>>
>>>> If Elsevier tell you they are happy to give PeterMR their bib data
>>>> for his own unrestricted use I'd be amazed.
>>>
>>>         So would I!
>>>
>>>> Scholars create bibliographies in scholarly publication and if these
>>>> "belong" to closed publishers they claim the copyright on them.
>>>
>>>         Absolutely!
>>>
>>>> Some of us are trying, with little/no funding, to scrape the
>>>> public web and to build shared resources. But it is often a long
>>>      slog to
>>>> create such bottom-up data.  And maybe this is something that
>>>      libraries
>>>> could put some effort into.
>>>
>>>         They don't have the resources. They spend all their resource on
>>>         toll-gated publishers. Thus they are outsourcing themselves to
>>>         death.
>>>
>>>
>>> They don't have the courage. The are the managers of huge amounts of
>>> money but they have no control. They're scared of academics, they're
>>> scared of publishers. I think you're right - libraries will be replaced
>>> by outsourcing and that - unless we can take control - will be *awful*.
>>>
>>>
>>>         Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> yes, we have to be cheerful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter Murray-Rust
>>> Reader in Molecular Informatics
>>> Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
>>> University of Cambridge
>>> CB2 1EW, UK
>>> +44-1223-763069
>>>
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