[Open-data-census] [okfn-discuss] A question about the Open Data census scoring system

Fri Aug 2 08:58:14 BST 2013

Thanks for the feedback Tracey - the Census team will take it on board in
our preparation this year. We'll be kicking things off properly in a week
or two.

We plan to focus on country-level data for 2013, and to get that really
robust; cities and provincial level data may follow in subsequent years,
depending on resources.

Best regards,

Laura

On 1 August 2013 16:30, Tracey P. Lauriault <tlauriau at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rufus;
>
> Attached are 2 other methodological guides developed by the Federation of
> Canadian Municipalities.  I helped them put these together back in the day
> when we were developing homelessness and the risk of homelessness
> indicators for 24 municipalities in Canada.
>
> Also, here is their Municipal Data Collection Tool (MDCT).  It was a way
> to have cities, across provincial jurisdictions to load their datasets, and
> provide explanations and caveats about what they were loading.  Because
> each city collects data about recreation, homelessness, foodbanks, boil
> water advisories, cost of transit and so on differently, we needed a way to
> assure indicator readers that the data we were producing for them were
> actually comparable.  This tool has not been in use for some time and I can
> connect your methodological people to those behind the scenes when you are
> ready to do that.
>
> http://www.municipaldata-donneesmunicipales.ca/Site/Collection/en/index.php
>
> Regarding the option for city census, this is remains problematic in the
> case of Canada, since provinces report health and education and cities
> don't, also provincial and territorial governments differ, MPPs are
> elected, and each needs to have a transparency and so on piece.
>
> Bref, if World Bank, UN, OECD and others can develop comperable indicators
> on open data so can we.  The OKNF, if it is to be the voice on this, cannot
> afford to release data like the last census, even in the face of a great
> press release and a G8 media opportunity, as that downgrades your
> credibility with scientists and statisticians.
>
> I will be moving to Ireland for a 5 year post, and hope to be able to pop
> by and visit at some point, and would be glad to help out as I can.
>
> Cheers
> t
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Ivan Begtin <ibegtin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Rufus,
>>    I think that methodology is great, at least it helps us a lot to
>> promote open data here in Russia.
>> Right now our officials very seriously would like to climb to 2-3 places
>> in open data census rating.
>>
>> Russia is also federal state and we have about 83 regions (so called -
>> federal subjects) and about 24 000 municipalities.
>>
>>  And I think that another dimension of the rating is important - how data
>> is published.
>>
>> For example. One of russian regions, Permsky krai, created so called
>> "open data portal" which actually is not about open data -
>> http://opendata.permkrai.ru. It's just some kind of document search
>> system integrated with analytical OLAP engine .
>>
>> It's not really opendata - it's "cargo cult" and we criticize them a lot.
>>
>> We are ready to help with methodology.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>    Ivan Begtin
>>
>> Director of NP "Informational Culture"
>> Co-Chair of Russian Open Government Data Council
>> website: http://infoculture.ru
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/8/1 Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
>>
>>>  On 1 August 2013 10:24, Tatyana Tolsteneva <tatyanatolsteneva at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Rufus,
>>>>
>>>> thanks a lot for your explanation, i have already found it here
>>>> https://github.com/okfn/opendatacensus/issues/33.
>>>> Please take my apologies for "OKNF", it was just a misprint.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No worries :-) (Just making sure not a confusion as opposed to typo!)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Here in Russia the Census it considered to be most authoritative
>>>> comparative study of open data around the world. And here we really feel
>>>> some lack of official information about the Census methodology.
>>>> It seems, this problem could be solved by official publication of the
>>>> methodology on the Census website.
>>>> Could it be possible? What do you think about the methodology
>>>> publication?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes this is a very good idea and we'll get moving on this right away.
>>> Any suggestions for specific things to include or language are very welcome!
>>>
>>> Rufus
>>>
>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Tatyana Tolsteneva
>>>> Development manager
>>>> tatyana.tolsteneva at svobodainfo.org
>>>>
>>>> Freedom of Information Foundation
>>>> (formerly known as Institute for Information Freedom Development)
>>>> P.O. Box 527, St.-Petersburg, 192007, Russia
>>>> Phone:  +7 812 766-03-66
>>>> Fax: +7 812 766-52-61
>>>> Email: info at svobodainfo.org <info at svobodainfo.org>
>>>> www.svobodainfo.org
>>>>
>>>> 31.07.2013, в 22:28, Rufus Pollock написал(а):
>>>>
>>>> [changing mailing list from okfn-discuss to open-data-census]
>>>>
>>>> On 23 July 2013 12:06, Tatyana Tolsteneva <tatyanatolsteneva at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>> my name is Tatyana and i'm a development manager of the Freedom of
>>>>> Information Foundation - Russian FOI-advocasy NGO based in St. Petersburg.
>>>>> I'm interested in the OKNF Open Data Census scoring system because i
>>>>> can't catch it's idea of it http://census.okfn.org/G8/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OKFN (Open Knowledge Foundation (Network))
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> At first i had a hypothesis, that each "yes" costs 1 poin and points
>>>>> just should to be summarized.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's almost the case but not quite: whether data is up to date does
>>>> not count towards the total score.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This idea has been perfect, if maximum for all questions would have
>>>>> been 7.
>>>>> But we have 6 as maximum.
>>>>> So my question is about "data existence" column
>>>>>
>>>> IN case all  "yes" should cost 1 points, it should be 7 as maximum.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See above.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Form the table http://census.okfn.org/G8/ i can see that some
>>>>> times "yes" per "data existence" is taken into the account.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It should be always taken into account.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Fo example,  Transport timetable is Russia, Government spending is
>>>>> France and in Italy.
>>>>> But in the majority of cases YES per "data existence" is not included
>>>>> into the account. For example Zip-codes Russia
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is included there - it's up to date that is not included.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And speaking about Russian case, company register for Russia  has 2/6
>>>>> and Transport timetable has 2/6, but Company register is up to date
>>>>> and Transport timetable is not.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See above.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Would you be so kind to explain this scoring and situation with points
>>>>> for "data existence" and i woul be specially glad for explaining in the
>>>>> context of the Russian score.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope the above clarifies things. Also thanks for asking as your
>>>> questions will encourage us to put up further documentation on the website!
>>>>
>>>> Rufus
>>>>  *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *
>>>
>>>  Rufus Pollock
>>>
>>> Founder and Executive Director | skype: rufuspollock | @rufuspollock<https://twitter.com/rufuspollock>
>>>
>>> The Open Knowledge Foundation <http://okfn.org/>
>>>
>>> Empowering through Open Knowledge
>>> http://okfn.org/ | @okfn <http://twitter.com/OKFN> | OKF on Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/OKFNetwork>|
>>> Blog <http://blog.okfn.org/>  |  Newsletter<http://okfn.org/about/newsletter>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Open-data-census mailing list
>>> Open-data-census at lists.okfn.org
>>> http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/open-data-census
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> С уважением,
>>   Иван Бегтин
>>
>> Директор НП "Информационная культура"
>> email: ibegtin at infoculture.ru
>> phone: +7 499 500 96 58, +7 910 426 68 83
>> website: http://infoculture.ru
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Open-data-census mailing list
>> Open-data-census at lists.okfn.org
>> http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/open-data-census
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Tracey P. Lauriault
> Post Doctoral Fellow
> Geomatics and Cartographic Research Centre
> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
> http://datalibre.ca/
> 613-234-2805
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Open-data-census mailing list
> Open-data-census at lists.okfn.org
> http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/open-data-census
>
>

-- 
*

Dr Laura James

Co-Director  | skype: laura.james  |  @LaurieJ <https://twitter.com/LaurieJ>

The Open Knowledge Foundation <http://okfn.org/>

Empowering through Open Knowledge
http://okfn.org/  |  @okfn <http://twitter.com/OKFN>  |  OKF on
Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/OKFNetwork> |
Blog <http://blog.okfn.org/>  |  Newsletter<http://okfn.org/about/newsletter>

**

**

*
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/open-data-census/attachments/20130802/6b536123/attachment-0001.htm>