[Open-data-census] [okfn-discuss] A question about the Open Data census scoring system

Thu Aug 1 16:30:18 BST 2013

Rufus;

Attached are 2 other methodological guides developed by the Federation of
Canadian Municipalities.  I helped them put these together back in the day
when we were developing homelessness and the risk of homelessness
indicators for 24 municipalities in Canada.

Also, here is their Municipal Data Collection Tool (MDCT).  It was a way to
have cities, across provincial jurisdictions to load their datasets, and
provide explanations and caveats about what they were loading.  Because
each city collects data about recreation, homelessness, foodbanks, boil
water advisories, cost of transit and so on differently, we needed a way to
assure indicator readers that the data we were producing for them were
actually comparable.  This tool has not been in use for some time and I can
connect your methodological people to those behind the scenes when you are
ready to do that.

http://www.municipaldata-donneesmunicipales.ca/Site/Collection/en/index.php

Regarding the option for city census, this is remains problematic in the
case of Canada, since provinces report health and education and cities
don't, also provincial and territorial governments differ, MPPs are
elected, and each needs to have a transparency and so on piece.

Bref, if World Bank, UN, OECD and others can develop comperable indicators
on open data so can we.  The OKNF, if it is to be the voice on this, cannot
afford to release data like the last census, even in the face of a great
press release and a G8 media opportunity, as that downgrades your
credibility with scientists and statisticians.

I will be moving to Ireland for a 5 year post, and hope to be able to pop
by and visit at some point, and would be glad to help out as I can.

Cheers
t

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Ivan Begtin <ibegtin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Rufus,
>    I think that methodology is great, at least it helps us a lot to
> promote open data here in Russia.
> Right now our officials very seriously would like to climb to 2-3 places
> in open data census rating.
>
> Russia is also federal state and we have about 83 regions (so called -
> federal subjects) and about 24 000 municipalities.
>
>  And I think that another dimension of the rating is important - how data
> is published.
>
> For example. One of russian regions, Permsky krai, created so called "open
> data portal" which actually is not about open data -
> http://opendata.permkrai.ru. It's just some kind of document search
> system integrated with analytical OLAP engine .
>
> It's not really opendata - it's "cargo cult" and we criticize them a lot.
>
> We are ready to help with methodology.
>
> Best Regards,
>    Ivan Begtin
>
> Director of NP "Informational Culture"
> Co-Chair of Russian Open Government Data Council
> website: http://infoculture.ru
>
>
>
> 2013/8/1 Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
>
>>  On 1 August 2013 10:24, Tatyana Tolsteneva <tatyanatolsteneva at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Rufus,
>>>
>>> thanks a lot for your explanation, i have already found it here
>>> https://github.com/okfn/opendatacensus/issues/33.
>>> Please take my apologies for "OKNF", it was just a misprint.
>>>
>>
>> No worries :-) (Just making sure not a confusion as opposed to typo!)
>>
>>
>>> Here in Russia the Census it considered to be most authoritative
>>> comparative study of open data around the world. And here we really feel
>>> some lack of official information about the Census methodology.
>>> It seems, this problem could be solved by official publication of the
>>> methodology on the Census website.
>>> Could it be possible? What do you think about the methodology
>>> publication?
>>>
>>
>> Yes this is a very good idea and we'll get moving on this right away. Any
>> suggestions for specific things to include or language are very welcome!
>>
>> Rufus
>>
>> Yours sincerely,
>>>
>>> Tatyana Tolsteneva
>>> Development manager
>>> tatyana.tolsteneva at svobodainfo.org
>>>
>>> Freedom of Information Foundation
>>> (formerly known as Institute for Information Freedom Development)
>>> P.O. Box 527, St.-Petersburg, 192007, Russia
>>> Phone:  +7 812 766-03-66
>>> Fax: +7 812 766-52-61
>>> Email: info at svobodainfo.org <info at svobodainfo.org>
>>> www.svobodainfo.org
>>>
>>> 31.07.2013, в 22:28, Rufus Pollock написал(а):
>>>
>>> [changing mailing list from okfn-discuss to open-data-census]
>>>
>>> On 23 July 2013 12:06, Tatyana Tolsteneva <tatyanatolsteneva at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>> my name is Tatyana and i'm a development manager of the Freedom of
>>>> Information Foundation - Russian FOI-advocasy NGO based in St. Petersburg.
>>>> I'm interested in the OKNF Open Data Census scoring system because i
>>>> can't catch it's idea of it http://census.okfn.org/G8/
>>>>
>>>
>>> OKFN (Open Knowledge Foundation (Network))
>>>
>>>
>>>> At first i had a hypothesis, that each "yes" costs 1 poin and points
>>>> just should to be summarized.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's almost the case but not quite: whether data is up to date does
>>> not count towards the total score.
>>>
>>>
>>>> This idea has been perfect, if maximum for all questions would have
>>>> been 7.
>>>> But we have 6 as maximum.
>>>> So my question is about "data existence" column
>>>>
>>> IN case all  "yes" should cost 1 points, it should be 7 as maximum.
>>>>
>>>
>>> See above.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Form the table http://census.okfn.org/G8/ i can see that some
>>>> times "yes" per "data existence" is taken into the account.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It should be always taken into account.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Fo example,  Transport timetable is Russia, Government spending is
>>>> France and in Italy.
>>>> But in the majority of cases YES per "data existence" is not included
>>>> into the account. For example Zip-codes Russia
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is included there - it's up to date that is not included.
>>>
>>>
>>>> And speaking about Russian case, company register for Russia  has 2/6
>>>> and Transport timetable has 2/6, but Company register is up to date
>>>> and Transport timetable is not.
>>>>
>>>
>>> See above.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Would you be so kind to explain this scoring and situation with points
>>>> for "data existence" and i woul be specially glad for explaining in the
>>>> context of the Russian score.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hope the above clarifies things. Also thanks for asking as your
>>> questions will encourage us to put up further documentation on the website!
>>>
>>> Rufus
>>>  *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>
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